Gutted - low life scum

[silvermilnec]

I'm lucky to have a garage and allways use it, even at work i had a camera installed for about £50 so in my office i can see it all day! My son as a 16 year old last year joined the Army. As a 16/17 year old you go to Army Foundation College. When we dropped him off for the open day you should have seen the 800 or so 16/17 year old kids!! A year later on his pass out parrade you should have seen what they had turned these boys and girls into, a real credit!!! I spoke to a few senior officers and my son and non of them minded telling me how they did it. It would soon sort some of the youth of today out. Good luck with the insurance if it comes to that. Chris

 

[tscaptain]

Does it not come down to one thing - respect or in this case lack of? Lack of respect for people, property, rules, society etc seems pretty endemic these days. When and why did it all change? Sure there are a lot of good kids out there, probably the majority, and there have always been wayward troublemakers. But something fundamental has changed since I was a yoof. If I misbehaved at school I was in deep do-do and again when I got home! Nowadays it's all about human rights this and human rights that - everyone from the age of 5 seems to be human rights expert! What about discipline? What about taking responsibility for your own actions and not blaming others? What about having respect for me and what is mine (and WeeJohnyB's)? The World has changed in so many ways since a lot of us were teenagers - from the civilised society point of view I can't see any that are better. How sad.

 

[spyderman]

The answer is the nanny state - yoofs no longer fear punishment because they know it's not coming - not from their teachers, not from their peers, not from the police. Ergo, they do what they like. The state has decided that it knows how to raise kids better than parents do. And now that society breaks down, they blame parents.

 

[tscaptain]

Well I think that's part of the answer. The establishment of socially acceptable behaviour starts at a very early age so to some extent I do blame the parents. If the kids don't have any sense of good moral values before they are influenced and pressured later in life by their peers then they have no chance. This make my smile recently "The government guidelines also advise that children aged 15 to 17 should not drink without the supervision of a parent or carer." That's a statement from the Government's Chief Medical Officer. The next time he visits this planet I respectfully invite him round for tea and a chat! Anyway, whatever the rights and wrongs, causes and solutions, this is probably not the place to continue that debate! In the meantime lock up your daughters (and sons, apparently) and connect your car's bodywork to the National Grid at night![]

 

[Peter_Bull]

ORIGINAL: spyderman I feel ashamed now that I helped vote them in.

Thankfully I didn't! Apart from Blair and Brown, the EU bureaucrats have much to blame for the what is happening to our own country. These faceless unelected cretins impose laws on us that are a one size fits all mentality that cannot hope to suit every one of the 27 countries in the Union. Most pay lip service to the laws that they have no hope of imposing on there own country and which may cause them to lose votes their own people - eg. France and our beef. Why is that we always seen to be the one country that impose the EU laws immediately and plays by the rules! "Les rosbifs" always play fair!! How they must laugh at us across the channel! And don't get me started on the EU Human Rights issue - that’s a charter for the underclass to prevail and take the likes of us for mugs. See above posts for confirmation of that!! Who said bring back capital punishment? Where do I sign up......................?

 

[Gary C]

KILL THEM ALL Ooops, calming down. Found footprints on my MR2 roof once, neighbour came out and said "oh that was just my friends kids playing" with a 'what are you worried about ?' tone. Its getting silly, the Police are meant to be on our side, and to be fair, they are generally really decent people (including my Uncle and several cousins), its the politics than need to change.

 

[MarcBC]

WJB, truly sorry to read this. Having been the recipient of paint stripper on my car, I really can feel the pain. Good luck in getting it sorted. I now rent (there is nothing to buy near me) a garage for the car, which actually has additional benefits to just security such as keeping the car out of the rain / snow and also reducing the mileage I put on it. I now find myself using my town car for just that rather than driving the P-car for short distances.

 

[C4S al]

Hi, Ditto to what has been said, sorry to hear of your anguish. Unfortunately if I did not have a garage I would not have my 911. My garage is also alarmed although never had any issues when it has been parked on the drive during the day. I am always careful where I park when I take it out. Sorry state of the UK that we have to think about these things due to scrotes that feel hard done by and have never worked a day in their life. Something has to change, I think there will be a tipping pint event in that at some point hard working people will turn in force and demand changes through taking the law into their own hands collectively or I hope through common sense from a change in governement. Just my 2 penneth. Alan,

 

[Dylan1]

agree with all you say alan-unfortunately we are already starting to see the trend of damage by lowlifes getting worse as the economic climate worsens and yobbos get even more disaffected and despise those of us whove worked hard for lifes good things and feel the best way to express themselves is to damage them[]

 

[peanut]

ORIGINAL: tscaptain Well I think that's part of the answer. The establishment of socially acceptable behaviour starts at a very early age so to some extent I do blame the parents. If the kids don't have any sense of good moral values before they are influenced and pressured later in life by their peers then they have no chance.

this is the reason isn't it . You've hit the nail right on the head. I behave myself and respect the law and other people's property and privacy etc but that is because my parents brought me up to be that way. That was how they behaved so I followed their example . Of course it is not just that simple is it because we all have choice and most of us have some intelligence [] A lot of problem behaviour I feel stems from being disadvantaged with no hope or future its easier to take the easy way out. Theft, drugs ,drink etc There is a very interesting research paper published somewhere about how in the past 3x decades UK society has abandoned the working classes and concentrated on minority groups . We could be reaping the effects of that for a long time to come

 

[gresley]

Politics of envy encouraged from No. 10 by the redistributionist who now lives there. Fuelled by him ( and the unlovely Ed Balls ) and paid for by us in the form of stealth taxation and the disastrous raid on our pension funds ( which began the unholy mess this country is now in ). Equally shameful was the selling of our gold reserves in the most profligate manner imaginable. We shall now need to spend the next 20 years putting this mess right - I should stop now otherwise I shall say things which I am sure I shouldn't!!! Andrew W.

 

[tscaptain]

I don't think the people who are prepared to walk over your car for a laugh, to impress their mates or to show their hatred can even spell the "Politics of Envy" let alone understand. It is far too easy to blame the Government for weak policies, blame the Police for showing no interest and so on. This is not a new phenomenon. Aristotle, that ancient Greek chap noted: "Emulation is pain caused by seeing the presence, in persons whose nature is like our own, of good things that are highly valued and are possible for ourselves to acquire; but it is felt not because others have these goods, but because we have not got them ourselves. It is therefore a good feeling felt by good persons, whereas envy is a bad feeling felt by bad persons. Emulation makes us take steps to secure the good things in question; envy makes us take steps to stop our neighbour having them." The last sentence is the most telling - the choice is ours. Put simply I see this to mean "I don't have a Porsche, I really want one, it is a good sign of success and good on those that have them. I will try to do what they have done to get one for myself one day". As opposed to "Life's s**t, it's everybody else's fault, I have no aspirations (why should I?), I will show those to**ers who own Porsches that their money can't stop my envy and I have the power to harm that which you cherish" I wonder if the solution, if there is to be one, is to start on the micro (educate/motivate) level and not at the macro (legislate/punish) level. If youngsters have no proper role models, no goals, no boundaries, no respect and no (fair) discipline then they have no hope. To emulate rather than to envy - how would you make it happen? I didn't expect the Government, the Police or the Eurocrats to bring up my kids knowing right from wrong! We, their parents, took that responsibility ourselves. Phew! Glad that's off my chest, time for a beer .......[]

 

[Paul James]

Sorry to hear this mate. Isn't there a garage that you can rent out to keep the motor in? A car cover would also help security to put your Porsche under, even at work... Something you should consider.

 

[adrian996]

Firstly, I'm very sorry to hear about all this, JohnyB. I have no idea what I would've done in some of the situations that have been mentioned above. I'm 39 and can honestly say that I do feel very intimidated by (some) of the younger generation when things get "lively". The way that I look at this is very similar to some of the above; I was brought up in a working class family way and to respect your elders and other peoples' property was just a given. It was just that simple. If I did something wrong I would be terrified of the consequences from my teacher and my parents (even my older brother!!). So guess what? I didn't do (much) wrong. It seems to me that we've almost treated crime like inflation; nicking the dust caps off your parents neighbours' Morris Minor for your bike in the '70's now seems to equate to walking over someone's incredibly expensive Porsche 911! I realise that it's a very simplistic analogy of the situation but our government won't do anything because they realise that there is little or no solidarity between us Brits. Look at what happened in Paris last week: 'The foreigners are taking our jobs: REVOLT!!' The government know that we're just going to put up with a sh*t service - there's absolutely no difference whatsoever between this and going to a restaurant, getting a dire service with dire cold food - and then paying the full price and tipping the waiter on your way out! I think that the 10p tax is a great example of the sort of 'reactive' action that our government takes. "Oh, sh*t! The idiots have realised that I was trying to screw them!! Quick! Change it back, now!!" It's going to take a long time to put all this right - and it'll take a team effort to do it! It just worries me slightly that these sort of incidences might become more prevalent as more people loose their jobs and become envious of the (seemingly) well-off...? Rant over.

 

[harry]

I'd be worried that the perps. would do it again after your car is fixed - a member with the 997 who posted in this thread had his car defaced by some paint stripper TWICE as he said. Find yourself a garage to put the car in otherwise sell it after it is fixed and buy something you can leave on the streets and not worry about it. My RS and my S2000 stays in the garage overnight. Harry

 

[WeeJohnyB]

Got my car back last week. New roof, new rear bumber and resprayed front bumper, bonnet, roof, rear spoiler and blended into nearby areas, so into the wings etc. Result is a new car. I seriously had to do a double take to check it was my car. I got dropped off by a taxi and walked around the corner to see several cars on the forecourt. I noticed one looking stunning and had to focus to make out the number plate. As I got closer I realised it was mine. It looks beautiful, but for a couple of marks on the wheels, it looks like a new car. Paintwork is perfect. Well done to the guys at Fastlane in St Albans. Now just need to keep it looking so good so parking it around the corner in a very quiet cul de sac away from the morons who walk home from the pubs in the middle of the night. Have tried everywhere within half a mile, but no garage or off-road space is available to rent. WeeJohnyB

 

[Geoff_Fields]

I certainly think you should be allowed to protect your property. Maybe if these idiots got a good kick-in they may think twice about doing it again.

Unfortunately the law is on the side of the perp in these cases. You are only allowed to "use reasonable force" when protecting your property.[] Which amounts to very little. In the States you can protect your house with the use of ultimate force e.g. gun.[]

 

[northpole]

As one problem is sorted, another appears.... Lovely sunny day today and some toe-rag decided to run something along the flank of my car resulting in a deep scratch - charming! I have also recently suffered another numpty putting a minor scratch and tiny dent in drivers door (different side from this morning's excitement). Grateful if you could recommend a good quality bodyshop who would be able to deal with these without charging a fortune - I would much rather have some recommendations here than cold call and I need to weigh up the pro's and cons of paying myself or involving the insurers. Thanks. Peter