Anyone ordered a cage from heigo in Germany? not for the RS but interested in others experience.
Heigo cages anyone dealt with them before?
- Thread starter Laurence Gibbs
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Was that Half or Full Cage Alloy or Steel FiA compliant? Having now had the benefit of the Full Matter, I can not imagine a 964RS without a Full cage, for safety and handling with added rigidity to the shell, which is so noticeable....
I know Lee is looking for a cage for his garage Queen....and maybe Paul (TISPKJ) for his 993RS Copy.....
Paul McClean must have a magic contact with Heigo as they did not respond to phone or email....I sourced a half cage thru GT1 for my old Lightweight, although now would certainly only have a FULL cage.....just such a difference....
I know Lee is looking for a cage for his garage Queen....and maybe Paul (TISPKJ) for his 993RS Copy.....
Paul McClean must have a magic contact with Heigo as they did not respond to phone or email....I sourced a half cage thru GT1 for my old Lightweight, although now would certainly only have a FULL cage.....just such a difference....
it's a half cage , no idea if it's FIA compliant - HEI 516 024S and HEI 600 036S harness bar are the part numbers. didn't want the full cage as it's a bit of a classic and whilst i will be using it on the track i didn't want to limit it's future appeal with a full cage. i may be wrong of course.
lee fulford
New member
I'm told that a full cage on a road car is an absolute no no.
Wanted the front unit on the 7RS but was strongly advised otherwise.
Your head would make contact with it if thrown sideways.....ouch.
Wanted the front unit on the 7RS but was strongly advised otherwise.
Your head would make contact with it if thrown sideways.....ouch.
Lee, have you seen the front cage on a 97?...the front section bars are huge...see piccy for thickness...
Full or front cage is not a problem on the road if you are wearing a 6 point harness, you are not exactly going anywhere!....certainly not the best idea with just a seatbelt and no helmet.
Full or front cage is not a problem on the road if you are wearing a 6 point harness, you are not exactly going anywhere!....certainly not the best idea with just a seatbelt and no helmet.
Jason, I hear what you are saying, but with a 6 point harness correctly fastened you are unlikely to hit anything...the bars are out of the window line, most of us put Fia spec padding on the bars as well, as long as you can stay inside the structure, surely it makes the whole car stronger, especially in a side impact collision........interesting that the insurance companies do not seem too fussed about fully caged cars that left the factory that way, 964/93 CS came with cages and 6 point with no seat belts,,,,doesn't seem to warrant any additional premium.
I suspect as we all do the 6 point would not have been track tight but road tight and that's why Jason bumped his head on the window.
Full Cage not Road Safe! Who told you that Lee? Well a certain Kent Member would now be Very Dead when his 993RS Clubsport was hit by a mere small car on the Public Road. I agree for minor scrapes you could collide with the cage, but boy you have a BIG one it's full cage everytime or are we going to defy the laws of structures again....as Clubsport says, correct padding and proper tight Harness are a must with full cage....let alone the handling charateristics (here we go again!)[
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Full Cage not Road Safe! Who told you that Lee? Well a certain Kent Member would now be Very Dead when his 993RS Clubsport was hit by a mere small car on the Public Road. I agree for minor scrapes you could collide with the cage, but boy you have a BIG one it's full cage everytime or are we going to defy the laws of structures again....as Clubsport says, correct padding and proper tight Harness are a must with full cage....let alone the handling charateristics (here we go again!)[
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ORIGINAL: carreraboy
Full Cage not Road Safe! Who told you that Lee? Well a certain Kent Member would now be Very Dead when his 993RS Clubsport was hit by a mere small car on the Public Road. I agree for minor scrapes you could collide with the cage, but boy you have a BIG one it's full cage everytime or are we going to defy the laws of structures again....as Clubsport says, correct padding and proper tight Harness are a must with full cage....let alone the handling charateristics (here we go again!)[
far be it from me to actualy agree with you for a change Des [
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SimonExtreme
New member
So much misinformation!
First off, as has been said above, if you have a full cage you must use a proper harness. That should be pulled tight. Forget "road" or "track" tight because they should be the same. As Jason pointed out, you can move in a 6 point. Now, irrespective of what some of the testosterone filled drivers might think, driving on the road using a properly tightened 6 point harness is not safe. With the restrictive movement, you cannot see as well. You cannot lean forward a little when needed (junctions) or turn around. This is fine on a track where the traffic is all moving at pace in the same direction and when you can pretty well know where a car is likely to be from one moment to another. This is simply not so on the road and while we all do it, we should not wear a 6 point on the road. Besides, it's illegal.
Next, even with a 6 point harness correctly done up, there is still a real danger of head injury on the cage. Hyper extension of the neck coupled with stretch of the harnesses does allow for the possibility of a reall nasty, if not fatal, head injury. There will always be case of somebody who was saved by having a cage in a road accident, but the data speaks for itself and while I cannot be bothered to di it all up, I can assure everybody the statistics are very compelling!
It should also be noted that there is concern for other injuries from cages that would be avoided in a road accident in cars without cages, particularly on modern cars. In particular, legs, knees, arms and elbows are far more likely to receive serious impact injuries from cages. I know of a very badly shattered knee and a shattered wrist from exactly this.
There is no getting away from those risks and if you have a car with a full cage, it really isn't suited to everyday use. Add to that the impracticality of the side bars and overall, a full cage in a road use RS is a big liability. I would also imagine it would hurt the resale value.
First off, as has been said above, if you have a full cage you must use a proper harness. That should be pulled tight. Forget "road" or "track" tight because they should be the same. As Jason pointed out, you can move in a 6 point. Now, irrespective of what some of the testosterone filled drivers might think, driving on the road using a properly tightened 6 point harness is not safe. With the restrictive movement, you cannot see as well. You cannot lean forward a little when needed (junctions) or turn around. This is fine on a track where the traffic is all moving at pace in the same direction and when you can pretty well know where a car is likely to be from one moment to another. This is simply not so on the road and while we all do it, we should not wear a 6 point on the road. Besides, it's illegal.
Next, even with a 6 point harness correctly done up, there is still a real danger of head injury on the cage. Hyper extension of the neck coupled with stretch of the harnesses does allow for the possibility of a reall nasty, if not fatal, head injury. There will always be case of somebody who was saved by having a cage in a road accident, but the data speaks for itself and while I cannot be bothered to di it all up, I can assure everybody the statistics are very compelling!
It should also be noted that there is concern for other injuries from cages that would be avoided in a road accident in cars without cages, particularly on modern cars. In particular, legs, knees, arms and elbows are far more likely to receive serious impact injuries from cages. I know of a very badly shattered knee and a shattered wrist from exactly this.
There is no getting away from those risks and if you have a car with a full cage, it really isn't suited to everyday use. Add to that the impracticality of the side bars and overall, a full cage in a road use RS is a big liability. I would also imagine it would hurt the resale value.
As you say, so much mis information [8|]
So if using a 6 point harness is illegal on the road, how is it that those of us with CS or NGT (as Des likes to call them[]) manage to get them through the annual Mot test and insured for no additional premium?....These cars were supplied from the factory with 6 points and no provision for the fitment of seatbelts.
Agree a fully caged car is not ideal as everyday transport, but I don't think a full matter has done too much harm to re-sale values of Clubsport & cup cars over the last few years []
So if using a 6 point harness is illegal on the road, how is it that those of us with CS or NGT (as Des likes to call them[
]) manage to get them through the annual Mot test and insured for no additional premium?....These cars were supplied from the factory with 6 points and no provision for the fitment of seatbelts.Agree a fully caged car is not ideal as everyday transport, but I don't think a full matter has done too much harm to re-sale values of Clubsport & cup cars over the last few years [
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as the "owner" of this topic i would have prefered in this case if it had remained on topic. that said seeing as everyone else has launched off sideways then I will do the same. I'm gooing to buy a full cage for another car I own. It will be a road car and i do agree with Simon a full cage or cage with frontal addition is a liability on the road for some of the reasons mentioned. However i think this is a "risk" that is taken with using such a device. The car will be used a lot on track and that division of duty needs to be taken into account. You pays your money and you take the choice.
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