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ORIGINAL: xenon

ORIGINAL: Mark Bennett

As Fen said, the part is only £7 or so.
GT-One are v.good. Not sure they would have this in stock but you never know [:)]

that's for the linkage arm - the missing nylon sleeve is on the spindle section. I tried a new linkage arm on mine, but with no nylon sleeve it just fell off too.

Weird, I recall the sleeves being part of the arm (I mean the cups that are on each end of the arm- is that what you mean?). It's about 8 years since I had to do this on mine though, so I'm probably mistaken!

It happened to me about 2 months after I bought the car, and the previous owner had just tied it all together with a huge ball of elastic bands! I'm going down the motorway one rainy night and suddenly the drivers side wiper stops working [&:][:mad:] Had about 3 days before we were off to Le Mans that year, and Porsche initially sent me the arm for the other side... Got it all sorted about 11PM the night before we left [:D] I do remember it being a bit tricky to fit the motor end...[&:]
 
That's what mine was like Mark!

However, the sleeve is on the end of the ball, not in the 'cup'.
 
Ah ok - I don't remember a sleeve at all, so either mine was different (1988 S) or I've just forgotten it !
Apologies if I misled at all [&:]
 
There is no sleeve Xenon - yours has been "repaired" before is my guess.

The ball is a plated sphere attached to the mechanicsm, the cup is part of the linkage and in black nylon. Runoff from the screen gets on it because the plastic scuttle cover is designed for LHD cars and doesn't fit RHD properly. In that runoff is grit which abrades both the nylon and the plating on the metal. Usually the nylon fails first but eventually the ball will be lozenge shaped after the plating has been worn through and even a new cup won't grip it.

The arm with the cup is £7 or so, the whole mechanism (including new arms) is £70 or so - both plus the dreaded. Fitting a whole mechanism isn't too difficult but you need to mark the position the crank from the motor sits at on the splines before you take off your motor to swap it across or it will take ages to get the park position to the at the bottom. Fitting the arm is just a matter of popping it over the ball either end - use force as you won't break it. Note the inner end isn't a cup so much as a ring.
 
Interesting Fen, and you might very well be right. However, the nylon sleeve certainly looked OE and as if it had been on there for an eternity.

Certainly the new linkage arm I tried had no nylon 'gripper' in it - just sprung steel cup pressed into the bar - and it fell off as easily as the old one did.

Accordingly, my fix was the only solution, other than buying a complete new frame - maybe it made the ball less 'lozenge' shaped. I'll send Chris some sleeving anyway and hopefully it will fix his as it did mine.

It also makes me wonder if perhaps the design was changed during the production run, because there was definately no nylon in the cup on the new arm I tried. It's also interesting you mention that the cover was designed for LHD cars, however PET lists both a RHD & LHD version. Perhaps only on earlier cars it was the same? My cover covers the linkage anyway.
 
Well on all 5 of my 944s the cover has not quite reached all the way to the end of the linkage meaning that the bit in front of the driver gets a regular wash. I hadn't checked but assumed it was because on LHD cars the battery sits there and isn't covered by that plastic. I'm not sure how it differes LHD to RHD to be honest.

Similarly I have replaced a few linkages and all of the arms have had black nylon cups on one end and black nylon rings on the other and the cups don't come out of the arm - I even had a whole new mechanism for my S2 cab a couple of years ago and it was the same. I'm now thoroughly confused by your description of your setup. I have a spare arm in my garage if a photograph will help anyone.
 
Black nylon cups on one end and nylon rings on the other - suggesting that there is some sort of nylon sleeve (or ring) on the 'ball' end. I thought the battery on the S2 was in the boot in both LHD and RHD.

Anyway, I'm sure you're right, Fen, you have owned and presumably worked on, many more 944s than I - however, my fix does work!!

As you say - the 'cup' does not come out of the arm as it is pressed in, but the cup on the new arm I recently purchased was bereft of any nylon.
 
A different cover over the linkage....

That would explain why I remember not being able to see the linkage on mine (and therefore not spotting the huge ball of rubber bands helding it all together when I bought the car!)

I did mention this at a meeting at the beginning of the year when all the 944's had thier bonnets open and the linkage was plainly visible - I wondered how on earth I had manageed to miss it - and also how I remembered it being completely covered!

My memory isn't so bad as I thou... (mmm, huh, what was I saying now?)



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ORIGINAL: xenon

Black nylon cups on one end and nylon rings on the other - suggesting that there is some sort of nylon sleeve (or ring) on the 'ball' end. I thought the battery on the S2 was in the boot in both LHD and RHD.

Anyway, I'm sure you're right, Fen, you have owned and presumably worked on, many more 944s than I - however, my fix does work!!

As you say - the 'cup' does not come out of the arm as it is pressed in, but the cup on the new arm I recently purchased was bereft of any nylon.

The cup is made of nylon isn't it? I certainly believe that it is and that's the only nylon anywhere. The other part is a shiny ball with no plastic whatsoever.
 
It may have made more sense if it was nylon, but the on the arm that came out of the car, and on the arm I bought, it was a steel cup pressed into the mild steel arm. The nylon sleeve was on the ball. Whether it was like that from the factory, I know not. I gather from what you're saying, it wasn't.
 
I'm starting to think your nylon bit has come adrift from the arm xenon. Werid you say it has a steel cup though as I thought it was just a hole in the arm with the nylon bit pressed into it. I know where my spare is so I might have a look tomorrow.
 
Could be - if the nylon sleeve had come adrift it could have looked as though it was originally on the ball. On both the arms I saw though the cup was metal. It would be interesting if you check out your spare though - if it does have a nylon cup then that would be the best solution for the OP and indeed myself.
 
this has all been a great help and if anyone does have pics they would certainly be of interest......thanks again. im still praying it does not rain !!!!
 
OK I looked today and xenon is right in that there seems to be a black steel cup on the grey steel arm and that has a nylon lining, so I have learned something by looking. That said the intention is that the mechanism has a plated ball and the arm has the nylon bit and you shouldn't have to pack anything to make it work.
 
so to fix would you place the nylon bit on the end of the ball or in the cup ? then squeeze the two tightly together...till it clicks....
 

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