Help with Gaz Gold Suspension.
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Have you spoken to Kevin at EMC? I am sure he will be able to guide you. I think you will need to strengthen the shock mounts if you intend to run without torsion bars and not sure that there is much to gained running without bars.
Some of the 968 guys are running Gaz so maybe worth posting on that section as well.
Some of the 968 guys are running Gaz so maybe worth posting on that section as well.
I've stuck the post on the 968 forum, thought it does look pretty quiet on there!
The Gaz set cost me £600 plus VAT, I've used Gaz on my TVR's with no issues so I thought I'd try a set on the 944.
I've spoken to a few people and I reckon I'm going to keep the Torsion bars, the rear springs are really just helper springs.
Cheers for all the advice.
The Gaz set cost me £600 plus VAT, I've used Gaz on my TVR's with no issues so I thought I'd try a set on the 944.
I've spoken to a few people and I reckon I'm going to keep the Torsion bars, the rear springs are really just helper springs.
Cheers for all the advice.
I got them from Gaz direct, I pretty sure it was £600 plus VAT but I haven't got the invoice to hand and there might of been some postage. Also I did buy them a good 6 months ago.
The TB's are being worked on as we speak, the rear just sits a bit to high on the standard lowest setting so it's turning into an expensive job, lets hope it's worth it. Looking forward to next Friday when I'll be giving her a shake down on Abingdon airfield.
I'll let you know how I get on with the Gaz/ GT one set up.
The TB's are being worked on as we speak, the rear just sits a bit to high on the standard lowest setting so it's turning into an expensive job, lets hope it's worth it. Looking forward to next Friday when I'll be giving her a shake down on Abingdon airfield.
I'll let you know how I get on with the Gaz/ GT one set up.
sawood12
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You can run without TB's and several people in the US do on both street and track cars but 225 lb spring rate might be a bit soft. My KW's are rated at something like 250 lb ish at the rear and i've got M030 TB's - it's a hard ride but not overly hard and easily bearable for the street.
Some have found that running without TB's deteriorates handling qualities and there is always that questionmark over the robustness of the rear trailing arms to handle the stresses.
Some have found that running without TB's deteriorates handling qualities and there is always that questionmark over the robustness of the rear trailing arms to handle the stresses.
I'm not sure on this setup but if the rears are only helper springs then you don't want to take out the T bars. It's true that some run without T-Bs but there's very little point unless you are going to swap out your coilovers on a regular basis. Just get the T-Bs re indexed and you'll be fine. 250lb is pretty soft anyway.
Scott what Nm are your rears?
Just to put it into perspective. I was speaking to someone who knows a race shop in the north of the US and they have quite a few 944/51 customers and many of them are running in the 800lb mark and these are still road cars that do what they call DE, which is like your Trackdays. Guess it depends on what the condition of your local roads are like too.
Scott what Nm are your rears?
Just to put it into perspective. I was speaking to someone who knows a race shop in the north of the US and they have quite a few 944/51 customers and many of them are running in the 800lb mark and these are still road cars that do what they call DE, which is like your Trackdays. Guess it depends on what the condition of your local roads are like too.
Neil Haughey
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944 application was developed by EMC should be used with torsion bars and in essence will work best if the whole car is set up in a similar way to the EMC race cars, my set for example has 400 lb fronts and 225 rears. I spent 5 hours at EMC last week and now know Kevs set up on these cars but anyone else who wants to know please phone Kev or drop in to EMC, lots of little details that IMHO will be required for the whole thing to work properly. IMHO if I was EMC I would not be very happy about Gaz selling these kits out of the back door. I bought my 2 way remote reservoir set through Absolutely shocks, price was similar to EMC and of course I am dealing with EMC now becasue they are the only ppl that can give you the full picture.
Ben, My car had the standard MO30 suspension fitted, I had Promax set it up when I first got the car, the back was a bit soft for my liking and as the standard suspension is know 21 years old I decided to go for some coilovers.
I should be collecting the car on Tuesday, I'll post the settings that GT one has used.
I should be collecting the car on Tuesday, I'll post the settings that GT one has used.
Hmm either you've got the stiffest spring in Automotive history or we're talking different rates Scott. [
]My fronts are 110nm and rear helpers 50nm. I was always under the impression that this was equivalent to 616lb/in and 285lb/in , but this does start to get pretty confusing. I've got some emails from Karl Poeltl of Racers Edge and it goes into some depth about figuring out effective rear rates in concert with Torsion bars. If you want I can email you as you may find it interesting. I've posted it before and it's a little long for this thread.
sawood12
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Pat, i've seen that thread and though i'm an engineer by trade my eyes still glazed over! My conversion was obviously incorrect i.e. straight lb force to NM, it did sound a bit high! You may as well have solid steel collars instead of springs at that rate. To be honest Pat, i'm really happy with my setup and not too concerned with what the actual numbers are. It could do with some fine tuning of the bump and rebound rates - I think the rebound is a bit low at the back as I feel the rear sometimes bounces up too quickly over certain bumps. I'm gettiing the suspension height adjusted this year and i'll start messing with damping rates. However for a prodominantly street car that gets out on track a couple of times a year (if i'm lucky) I think i've got as good a compromise regarding spring stiffnesses as you could possibly hope for.
My only concern with the setup continues to be the A-Arm ball joints. I'll see what angle the A-Arms end up at once i'm happy with the ride height and decide then if I need Racers Edge A-Arms[].
My only concern with the setup continues to be the A-Arm ball joints. I'll see what angle the A-Arms end up at once i'm happy with the ride height and decide then if I need Racers Edge A-Arms[
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