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High Mileage Pre-Varioram 993 Carrera 4

Ultraman

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Thinking of buying this today.

It has 170K Miles but is fully stamped up.
What are the main things I should look out for and what SHOULD it have had done to it?

It has had a full health check by sports specialist so will call them today to find out more.

Any advice is much appreciated.
 
I have copied the buying info from the FAQ section that Maurice maintains, hope this is of help.

Steve

The buying decision on a 993 is still difficult - the cars are older now, mostly out of the dealer network, but depreciating slowly (justifiably !) - so how to decide ?

Well, the short answer is "" check everything as per other cars, plus ........

#1 As many do low mileage, annual services should be done and documented. Check all paperwork thoroughly, map out the history. Get a thorough independent inspection.

#2 Low miles commands a premium, but can sometimes cause trouble, see 1. Check aircon functionality and all electrics.

#3 You're not 100% safe with an OPC or reputable specialist, but as fully warranted as possible is a pretty good start, adds 2k-10k to the price. Not much trouble would get repair bills of that order! Hard to find 993s at an OPC now "¦

#4 Carrera 2, 4, S, 4S and TTurbo, RS, TTS prices rank in more or less ascending order, but they are all great cars.

#5 Drive both 2 & 4 to decide that one. 4wd will understeer rather more. Targa and Cabriolet to taste .... Targa roof will require maintenance and alignment, all Cabs had a recent (Dec 2004) recall for safety issues.

#6 VRam (96 on) gives a wider torque spread, 13 more bhp when fully functional. More flexible, less peaky. Better for the 4 speed Tiptronic and the taller ratio /20 gearbox methinks.

#7 Downside of later N/A (96 on) cars is the gearbox change to the US ratios (G50/20), but only really noticeable on the track. G50/21 is 'busier' cruising on the motorway, closer ratios.

#8 Get the best car you can afford, with the options you really want. Adding them later costs big time.

#9 Cars up to early 96 should have had their engine wiring loom checked "" if on the OPC VIN list it should be replaced - official recall and no charge, although sometimes things seem to go wrong afterwards .....

#10 Only some '95 Coupes and Cabriolets are eligible for the steering rack brace retro-fit to enable fitment of 18" wheels, strictly speaking. See FAQs.

#11 Factory shocks (especially Monroe) last 20-40K miles only before their performance degrades significantly - check for replacement.

#12 M030 (sports suspension option) gives excellent ride / crisp handling with progressive rate front springs and thicker anti-roll bars "" M033 (lowered suspension M030/TT height) fitted as standard to S models "" shocks for either no better. RS gets Bilsteins, "˜nuf said.

#13 Big Red brakes (4S, TT, RS) are great, but the standard Brembos are outstanding anyway, and lighter. RS and TT/4S are different setups ..

#14 Oil used should reflect the value of the car "" fully synthetic oils mandatory. Shorter change intervals are no substitute, annual changes also necessary, more frequent if tracking. Likewise petrol should be 98 RON always, not just special occasions !

#15 Suspension alignment is critical to handling "" 993 multilink rear suspension requires extra setting of kinematic toe "" special tools required "" OPC or specialist only. Look for uneven wear patterns, feathering, especially inside edge. Be careful of cheap 'upgrades' like lowering springs - they are often incompatible with the shocks and can indicate skimping.

#16 LHD gets better driving position along with usual "˜difficulties' like toll booths, parking barriers.

#17 Options sticker should be inside front lid - if not, could well be repaint/replace job.

#18 Run your finger down the rain gutter, it should tighten towards rear of cabin - if not could be major body stuff.

#19 The seam beads in front of either side of the windscreen should not be brittle - indicates oven treatment without full strip down.

#20 All Cabriolets subject to roof recall (see other FAQ). Targas based on Cab platform, less structural rigidity than coupe. 18 inch wheels are not approved for Targas, or pre '96 Cabriolets, see other FAQ.

#21 Cars with remote control alarm / immobiliser fobs should come with two black remotes AND one red one - this last is the master, and can be used to program replacement black ones. Hamilton & Palmer can sort it all out, tho'. Be wary of after market alarms and audio fitments.

#22 We've certainly talked about it, but pay close attention to the door check strap mounting brackets. They should be solidly mounted to the front wing - as they were only lightly welded, they frequently loosen before detaching themselves, causing a loud click when the door is half way open / closed. Proper repair is expensive (wing off), and OPCs now unlikely to fix this gratis despite it being one of the few design faults of the 993. Doors generally should shut cleanly with a really solid quality thunk !

#23 Pay close attention to windscreen and rear screen fitments. They are structural items, bonded to the car. Check for poor replacement procedures, rust from scrapes etc. Squeaking can be a problem, but there is a teflon tape cure.

#24 Always check for complete toolkit including compressor.

#25 All tyres should be matching type and N spec number - mandatory in OPCs ...


If you think something could usefully be added, mail me!

Antony Montague suggested including #22-#24 - thanks, Antony !

HTH, Cheers, Maurice

< Message edited by MoC2S -- 29/3/2006 19:45:28 >
 
Thanks this has been very useful. I am getting the owner to verify the last major services and see where we go from there. I am worried that an engine rebuild may be looming if it has never had one.
 
Mines done 168,000 now and the lid has never been off and goes better than ever. If looked after with regular filter/oil changes these cars can run and run. Clutches,steering rack and shock absorbers are the weaker points and rust buubles around front and rear screens worth checking for.

Best of luck on your search.
 
Thanks for your response John. May I ask how long you have had your 993? Is it a C2, C4? What made you buy it and would you ever get a 996, 997? Cheers[:)]
 
Hi

My 993 has done 169,000 miles now

Had a top end rebuild @ 113,00 miles, but there are several cars around with this type of milage that have never had engine work.

I do get various "niggles" each year, but these are mostly age related rather than milage and the car has not been expensive to run apart from a new Cab roof (but I was aware of this when I purchased the car)

Can we ask what price the car is up for - there should be a substantial discount for this level of milage over an average milage car

Pete
 
Thanks Pete. Would love to see pics of everyone's 993s!
I was going to ask what price I should be looking for. It has had a Health check and service at 159K and all fully stamped up. Has some cosmetic additions 19inch alloys and spoiler. Otherwise a pretty standard car.

I am hoping to purchase this car a 1995, C4, 170K Miles, Manual for £12.5K. What does everyone think?

Let me know!
 
£12.5K sounds a real bargain! (Almost too much of a bargain)
The 19 inch alloys concern me. 18s are nice/OK but some of us prefer the handling of 17s, I'd doubt Porsche have speced 19s as viable.

Pete/John - are you two competing for the highest-mileage-forum-member award?
 
I'd have been ahead in the award if it was 3.2 - sold mine at 195K for £10K, and it still had plenty of miles in it.

My 993 has 139K on the clock, of which 60K has been done in the last 3 years. Nothing has needed doing to the engine - no leaks or rebuild.
 
ORIGINAL: Mark Elder

£12.5K sounds a real bargain! (Almost too much of a bargain)
The 19 inch alloys concern me. 18s are nice/OK but some of us prefer the handling of 17s, I'd doubt Porsche have speced 19s as viable.

Pete/John - are you two competing for the highest-mileage-forum-member award?

Think there are some cars out there with even more miles (also realised that I made a typo in the original post, actual milage is 179,000... must remember not to post before my first coffee [;)])

Would agree that the 19" wheels and bodywork addons would put me off more than the mileage, but price seems good
It does also depend on how many miles you are looking to do a year

Would get it inspected and HPI checked by someone who knows Porsches, and if that is clear go for it [:)]

Pete

 
Thanks guys, hoping the health check from Hartec shows it is in tip top shape. I am concerned about the 19s now. But will drive it and see how it handles. Thanks for the great replies guys. Keep you posted as I am off to see the car on Wednesday/Thursday. Regards Eewei
 

ORIGINAL: Ultraman

Thanks guys, hoping the health check from Hartec shows it is in tip top shape. I am concerned about the 19s now. But will drive it and see how it handles.


Plenty of used 17" Cups around, check the FAQ Technical articles in the 993 section, there is some detail on the steering rack brace you need to fit on some older 993's if you go for 18" wheels - you would probably get a good price for the 19" wheels if you decide to swap

Pete
 
Good idea Pete. I think the owner has the 17s so will try and get them thrown in. I am impressed by all the great advice I have gotten so far. Thank you all so much!
 
ORIGINAL: burrow01
...Plenty of used 17" Cups around, ...


Pete,
Where? I've been looking out for a set to fit some winter tyres. Cup 1s pop up on ebay occasionally, but the only 2s I've seen had been given a rather odd "chrome" treatment.
 
Jasmin has been selling refurbished originals for a long time. 18s and 17s. Unless they have all run out.

Not as cheap as on Ebay but you are right that source is drying up.
 
ORIGINAL: Mark Elder

ORIGINAL: burrow01
...Plenty of used 17" Cups around, ...

 
Pete,
Where?  I've been looking out for a set to fit some winter tyres.  Cup 1s pop up on ebay occasionally, but the only 2s I've seen had been given a rather odd "chrome" treatment.

Hi,

Sounds like I've overstated the case maybe - not looked recently, but certainly there used to be lots around on EBay - maybe all the people who have migrated to 18-19" wheels are moving back [;)]

Have you thought of 16" wheels for Winter Tyres?

Pete
 

ORIGINAL: burrow01

... but certainly there used to be lots around on EBay ...

You're right there used to be. Seems to be much less these days. I think genuine OEM parts for older Porsches are continuing to get harder to find. OEM Cup 1 wheels for 964s have gone the same way. Also seems that as the cars get older people start to prefer putting them back to original. Wish I had bought up all those dirt cheap amber lenses.

Ian.
 
I did it guys.
Bought the car yesterday and drove it 180 miles already.
Will get pics up over the weekend.

Thanks for all your feedback. So far I am not hating the 19 inch ride...
 
Well done - have fun with it - one of the things about having a high milage car is that you don't have to worry about the impact of driving it on the value [:D]

If Hartech did the inspection, are you putting it onto their maintenance plan? Would be interested to see if they would take on a car with this milage

Pete
 

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