How better is the G50 box?

[Guest]

Short answer is you have to decide what your buying criteria is Alasdair, do you want something that will sell easily for fairly close to top money or do you want to buy based on seat-of-the-pants? Not always mutually exclusive but might be, depends on what your ideal 911 'format' is.

Before I bought my own car, I had driven maybe 50-60 911's in the course of my work, and my absolute favourite had been a LHD SC Coupe; Spanish plates, Copper with tan leather, ticked all my boxes. So for this reason, and one or two others, that was what I was after from the word go, a LHD SC. SC's only ever came with a 915 'box and I agree with Mike, 915's are nicer to use in left-hookers.

Resale value was not on my list of priorities as I was buying a 'keeper'. Getting the same buzz every time was though, so I stuck to what I liked and bought the best example I could find. I don't think I would lose any money on mine if I had to get out of it, but that is accounted for in what I paid. Same might be true of a LHD 3.2 or 964, all depends on what you have to lay out to own it.

If straightforward reselling is anywhere on your list of priorities, then RHD G50 a good move. Really nice RHD G50 Carrera values are not where they are for no reason, the cars are sought-after, prices reflect the demand and that situation is unlikely to change any time soon. LHD not in the same boat, but you might prefer the drive. To me, that's all that matters, but then it's not my money you're spending...

All just my own roofless, LHD, 915-owning opinion obviously. Shows how much I know, lol [].

 

[TopCarrera]

Can somebody explain to me the technical reasons why a 915 box should be better in a LHD car?

Having recently had the 915 box from my LHD 84 car rebuilt the unit is now really very acceptable. Perhaps I am fortunate?

 

[Guest]

ORIGINAL: TopCarrera

Can somebody explain to me the technical reasons why a 915 box should be better in a LHD car?

Not really a technical reason, but I think it's just second and third are closer to you on that long-throw change, so you don't have to reach too far when sitting on the left. I love the way the 915 lever sits in your hand in a LHD car, that driving position is almost tailor-made for me. I once read that some old racers/rally boys preferred changing with the right hand, the theory being that for right-handed people there is/was a little more 'spatial awareness' going on, so fewer incorrect gear selections/fluffed gear changes. I buy into that, not sure how others view the notion though [8D]

 

[Guest]

ORIGINAL: johndglynn

Short answer is you have to decide what your buying criteria is

That's the problem John, it is a bit mixed!

I will need to sell as painlessly as possible when the time comes. If it was going to be a keeper I would have no hesitation with LHD, but it will only be until I get sorted out in Spain, then either a Testarossa is beckoning, or, if I really got bitten by the 911 bug, and to be honest I would not be surprised if I did, then I would be changing to a 930 Turbo (I just love the whale tails!) or a 993 turbo.

But it is just finding good RHD as close to preferred spec as poss. Hopefully when i get the club mag through there may be a few more there.

al

 

[rob911]

But it is just finding good RHD as close to preferred spec as poss.

What's the preferred spec?

 

[Guest]

ORIGINAL: rob911
What's the preferred spec?

3.2 carrera Coupe, G50 box, RHD under 90k miles (preferred).

White with black leather or black with black leather.

Owned by an enthusiast who has cared for and cherished the car.

A tough call I know, hence the need for certain compromises. Basically a balancing act.

 

[Guest]

hi,
If the later G50 3.2' cars were heavier, does that mean they were slower ? (ie 0-60 and top speed)
tx
Amo

 

[Guest]

For 0-60mph, any heavier car will be slower if all else is equal. However, its only 45lbs and overall weight depends on how many options are added, how much fuel and washer fluid etc. Would you notice a difference carrying a 4 year child (weighing hypothetically 45lbs)? To further complicate things, Porsche changed the mapping of the 3.2 a couple of times, so the later engines while nominally making the same 231hp have a slightly better map and should make a little more hp and torque. Also, G50 cars have a slightly greater rear weight bias and will have slightly better traction off the line. You also have to make a first-second change to get to 60mph so a G50 may be a fraction faster on the change.

Top speed is all aero and hp, so weight makes no difference there.

 

[Guest]

Thanks, Do all the 3.2's have LSD?

tx
Amo

 

[Guest]

No - it was a cost option

 

[Guest]

Hi,
According to this :
http://www.idee.demon.nl/carrera32/carrera32spc.htm
The Targa weighs 50kg more :-(
I thought it would be lighter (perhaps if I leave the roof at home

Amo

 

[Rotorhead]

The Club Sport was only 1160kg and c.240bhp.

But Dr Konradsheim, co author of The Carrera RS book, apparently had a pre-production Club Sport with a 915 gearbox, which reputedly weighed even less.

 

[Guest]

My Zeemax conversion reduces the weight by 200lb (90kg), therefore it must be lighter than a CS
No wonder it is so dam fast!

 

[Guest]

ORIGINAL: oliver

The Club Sport was only 1160kg and c.240bhp.

Just out of curiosity, can someone list the things that made the weight difference?

The book weight for a 915 3.2 is 1210kg and for a G50 is 1250kg. These are no fuel, oil, water and zero options numbers. Where does a CS save 90kg? The passenger sunvisor just doesn't weight that much[] Anyone want to have a stab at that?

 

[Jamie Summers]

Right, I'll have a go........

For starters the Clubsport had non-electric seats ( a few kg there)
CS had thinner carpet and sound deadening (another few kg)
CS had non-electric mirrors (I think ...... ???)
CS had some thinner glass (I think ......???)

errr, that's all I can think of for now ..........

Jamie

 

[Rotorhead]

ORIGINAL: Richard Bernau

ORIGINAL: oliver

The Club Sport was only 1160kg and c.240bhp.

Just out of curiosity, can someone list the things that made the weight difference?

The book weight for a 915 3.2 is 1210kg and for a G50 is 1250kg. These are no fuel, oil, water and zero options numbers. Where does a CS save 90kg? The passenger sunvisor just doesn't weight that much[] Anyone want to have a stab at that?

I've got a copy of the M673 Club Sport Technik Document somewhere. I'll look it out.

There is quite a long list of differences.

 

[Guest]

Having recently looked into this, and read the recent write up on Andy Tims's CS;

Automatic heating regulation, additional heating blower, lockable lid lock, central locking, electric windows,passenger sun visor, lids for door storage, elec seats, rear seats deleted, rear and side wall trim panels, rear seatbelts, rear key plate with bracket, rear wiper, insulation, underseal, hi-fi and speakers, carrera badge on rear, bumper recoil pistons, lighter spare wheel.

I guess Porsche thought of everything when they also decided to make the starter motor cable thinner and delete the clothes hooks. That must have made the most difference !

 

[Guest]

Here is an extract from the above site:

In 1987 another limited-edition model was presented: the Carrera CS ( Club Sport ). This model was presented as a 'light-weight' model. This meant the car was equiped with only the bare essentials. Things like electric windows, electric seats, and radio were left out. The weight saving however wasn't spectacular ( as the weight saving on the '73 RS was ); the fabric claimed 50 kg less weight but in reality it was even less.
On the outside the CS was unmistakable with it bright graphics, and red wheels. Most were delivered in 'Grand Prix'-white, but it is known that some models have been sold in other colors. All were coupés, but one Targa that was custom built for a German client. In total 340 were produced.
In 1987 another limited-edition model was presented: the Carrera CS ( Club Sport ). This model was presented as a 'light-weight' model. This meant the car was equiped with only the bare essentials. Things like electric windows, electric seats, and radio were left out. The weight saving however wasn't spectacular ( as the weight saving on the '73 RS was ); the fabric claimed 50 kg less weight but in reality it was even less.
On the outside the CS was unmistakable with it bright graphics, and red wheels. Most were delivered in 'Grand Prix'-white, but it is known that some models have been sold in other colors. All were coupés, but one Targa that was custom built for a German client. In total 340 were produced.

 

[Guest]

ORIGINAL: J.Hill

Having recently looked into this, and read the recent write up on Andy Tims's CS;

Automatic heating regulation, additional heating blower, lockable lid lock, central locking, electric windows,passenger sun visor, lids for door storage, elec seats, rear seats deleted, rear and side wall trim panels, rear seatbelts, rear key plate with bracket, rear wiper, insulation, underseal, hi-fi and speakers, carrera badge on rear, bumper recoil pistons, lighter spare wheel.

I guess Porsche thought of everything when they also decided to make the starter motor cable thinner and delete the clothes hooks. That must have made the most difference !

Not all these things are standard on the regular 3.2 so they will not be included in the 1250kg book weight[]

 

[Andy Tims]

This thread seams to have gone somewhat off topic.

That aside, Jeremy's got the weight saving list of the CS pretty well correct.
The biggest laugh is the deletion of the passenger sun visor whilst retaining the electric mirrors.
The glass is not thinner & I believe the space saver spare wheel is the same as a standard Carrera's