garyandjanet
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I must agree with Nic.
I was right! RMS but another oil issue surfaces
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jr2015
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I think Peter makes a valid point about Porsches` reputation being sullied,but how much of this dissatisfaction is actually caused by the factory and how much by their franchise holders?
To quote David Newton`s piece on p7 of the current PP "the club developing closer ties with the factory and Porsche cars GB via a more formal contact of operation"
The acid test is, if this comes to fruition will this forum be allowed to continue to criticise the perceived shortcomings of both PGB and Porsche AG?and , if the owners` club is in the pockets of the above is there any point in remaining a member if it evolves into some sort of altar at which to worship the Marque in a non-critical- accept what you`re told sort of way.
The relatively few dealings I`ve had with Main dealers(not just Porsche to be fair), has left me somewhat jaded and the thought of them having some sort of influence over the owners club is enough to have me reaching for my letter of resignation after 18 years of membership.
I was considering buying a Boxster (despite the name) but there`s no way I would after what I`ve read on the forum, I`m looking for an air-cooled car , as over a period of time I think that they are a better investment of one`s cash than one of the new range and I won`t have to have any dealings with an OPC.
regards,
jr.
To quote David Newton`s piece on p7 of the current PP "the club developing closer ties with the factory and Porsche cars GB via a more formal contact of operation"
The acid test is, if this comes to fruition will this forum be allowed to continue to criticise the perceived shortcomings of both PGB and Porsche AG?and , if the owners` club is in the pockets of the above is there any point in remaining a member if it evolves into some sort of altar at which to worship the Marque in a non-critical- accept what you`re told sort of way.
The relatively few dealings I`ve had with Main dealers(not just Porsche to be fair), has left me somewhat jaded and the thought of them having some sort of influence over the owners club is enough to have me reaching for my letter of resignation after 18 years of membership.
I was considering buying a Boxster (despite the name) but there`s no way I would after what I`ve read on the forum, I`m looking for an air-cooled car , as over a period of time I think that they are a better investment of one`s cash than one of the new range and I won`t have to have any dealings with an OPC.
regards,
jr.
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I know that this is off thread but 'jr' has a valid point that I would like to pursue.
For many years the Club has fought fiercely for our independence from PAG, particularly from the board of directors under the Chairmanships of Fred Hampton and Paul Kelley, and which I was proud to serve.
I now hear on the Club's grapevine that we are close to being sold down the proverbial swanny and that 'jr' could well be right in his interpretation. If this happens, which I dearly hope that it doesn't, then the current board will be held accountable.
From what I have been told it's a done deal and will be too late to reverse by the time of the AGM.
If I have been mislead in the information that I have been given I apologise unreservedly, but if it is indeed true then I think the board should come clean and let us know what is going on. A major decision like this will change the Club's constitution forever and cannot be left to a few to decide.
Would any member of the board please care to enlighten me and tell me that the information I have been given is incorrect.
I know that this is off thread but 'jr' has a valid point that I would like to pursue.
For many years the Club has fought fiercely for our independence from PAG, particularly from the board of directors under the Chairmanships of Fred Hampton and Paul Kelley, and which I was proud to serve.
I now hear on the Club's grapevine that we are close to being sold down the proverbial swanny and that 'jr' could well be right in his interpretation. If this happens, which I dearly hope that it doesn't, then the current board will be held accountable.
From what I have been told it's a done deal and will be too late to reverse by the time of the AGM.
If I have been mislead in the information that I have been given I apologise unreservedly, but if it is indeed true then I think the board should come clean and let us know what is going on. A major decision like this will change the Club's constitution forever and cannot be left to a few to decide.
Would any member of the board please care to enlighten me and tell me that the information I have been given is incorrect.
Peter,
I don't know what info you have been given so can't say if correct or not. But as David said, we are close to agreeing formal co-operation with Porsche Cars GB and AG. We have reached this point after several years of tough negotiation on our part and represents a reasonable deal for both parties. The agreement specifically guarantees editorial independence so members can continue to post any belief, provided not slanderous -no change from today.
Peter, I think you know that I have been forthright on many issues and I am not about to lie down for any one.
In my opinion, it is not reasonable to expect the Club to be both "fiercely independent" and the official Porsche club for the UK. That we could do so is entirely at the behest of Porsche Cars and in my opinion, this would not continue. You can try to both have and eat the cake for only so long.
I don't know what info you have been given so can't say if correct or not. But as David said, we are close to agreeing formal co-operation with Porsche Cars GB and AG. We have reached this point after several years of tough negotiation on our part and represents a reasonable deal for both parties. The agreement specifically guarantees editorial independence so members can continue to post any belief, provided not slanderous -no change from today.
Peter, I think you know that I have been forthright on many issues and I am not about to lie down for any one.
In my opinion, it is not reasonable to expect the Club to be both "fiercely independent" and the official Porsche club for the UK. That we could do so is entirely at the behest of Porsche Cars and in my opinion, this would not continue. You can try to both have and eat the cake for only so long.
Thanks for the reply Nic - and also for the phone call just now.
I look forward with interest to the developments with AG, but I truly hope that the contract of co-operation works for us.
I look forward with interest to the developments with AG, but I truly hope that the contract of co-operation works for us.
GreigM
New member
I'm certainly willing to give having closer ties with Porsche a chance - then they may sit up and take notice of some of the concerns owners have, and on the other hand, we may get better official information to make sure everyone has the correct information on which to base their opinions.
As Don Corleone said "keep your friends close but your enemies closer". [
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As Don Corleone said "keep your friends close but your enemies closer". [
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Andrew Killington
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sorry that this has gone off topic but I do hope we can encourage Porsche GB to start getting the basics right; as well as poor standards of customer care from some OPC's I wrote to Geoff Turral before Christmas setting out a grievance and never even had the courtesy of a reply[&o]
IMHO it's time Mr Turral delivered on the basics.
Andrew
IMHO it's time Mr Turral delivered on the basics.
Andrew
There is another thread in General now for the "off-topic" topic
--> http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=101662&mpage=1&key=
So perhaps this one can go back to the original RMS/Oil subject?
--> http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=101662&mpage=1&key=
So perhaps this one can go back to the original RMS/Oil subject?
Guest
New member
I'd be interested to know from Nic how many people have experienced multiple instances of RMS failure? Also whether there is any indication as to whether the problem is greater with manual or tiptronic cars. I had the RMS replaced at the annual service last year. 12 months and 4k miles later I have another drip on the garage floor.
PD
1999 C2 Cab tiptronic
PD
1999 C2 Cab tiptronic
Helen Goff
No.1 Poster
I haven't been following the Clubs progress in this issue as i sold my Boxster after it had a third RMS replacement.
but now i've been mad anough to buy another one. so i'll be alot more interested in this from now on. are any of the new cars 997/987 suffering the same problems??
but now i've been mad anough to buy another one. so i'll be alot more interested in this from now on. are any of the new cars 997/987 suffering the same problems??
Peter,
I mistakenly thought less chance with Tips but Jeff Tool pants pointed out just the same possibility as same engine, and when I crunched the numbers, he was right, only 1% difference
and yes, I will be digging down to multiples, but for sure some cars need only one replacement, others need more , a couple need many more. As we start to gather stats over a longer period, we will have more conclusions to draw.
Helen, yes, there have been a couple of reports of RMS on 987/997, from the US, I think.
I mistakenly thought less chance with Tips but Jeff Tool pants pointed out just the same possibility as same engine, and when I crunched the numbers, he was right, only 1% difference
and yes, I will be digging down to multiples, but for sure some cars need only one replacement, others need more , a couple need many more. As we start to gather stats over a longer period, we will have more conclusions to draw.
Helen, yes, there have been a couple of reports of RMS on 987/997, from the US, I think.
Grant
New member
I pretty much agree with Nic, most cars have "issues" look at BMW M engine problems! The only thing that bothers me is the RMS & some engine failures do seem to be due to "design flaw" rather than "wear & tear", as such Porsche should at least apply some good will to claims affected by these areas!
I think Nics approach by surveying owners & then putting the facts in front of Porsche to apply pressure via PCGB is the correct route & commendable, lets hope we get a positive response.
I fully agree with Peter. Can we see the full results of the survey and can we have an official line from the Club that they will persue this matter with PGB and keep us the members informed of progress. It seems to me that the matter is kept quiet as possible and away from the press until it blows up again and again as in this thread. The club is here for us the members is it not ? So please lets get this issue dealt with. If we have cars with dubious engines then Porsche should make amends.
Elliot Davies
New member
I had mine replaced as i had minor drips on the garage floor, these drips (on a 986 anyway) are offset as in not central.
As said above the oring rubber has changed over the years for a different PN.
I wouldnt immagine it should have anything to do with rev rising !!
The o rings are replaced with new tubes, £6 each complete tube
Not sure if this info has been posted before...
"How to" from the Porsche Club of America Tech:
Answer:
I have installed many of these with just about 100% success rate. Very rarely do they have a problem once fixed. When the transmission and flywheel are removed have them take a close look as to where the oil is coming from. Make sure if it is still coming from the rear main seal at the crankshaft edge or elsewhere. They can also leak from the case bolts. Should it be coming from the rear main seal then recheck the run out. The new style tool needs to have a 1/8" hole drilled in the face of it. This keeps it from locking on the crankshaft and giving false readings.
When I fix a rear main seal I do it all once so that it will not come back. I replace the rear main seal, intermediate shaft housing/seal and its 3 encapsulated bolts. I also epoxy the rear case bolts and just above and below the rear main seal after a thorough cleaning with brake clean. The epoxy from the rear main runs down to the intermediate shaft along the case halves not around the seal.
A useful way to find an oil and especially for yours before and after a repair is a water based spray penetrating die. This die comes in red or white. To verify it was fixed after the repair is to spray the back of the case and rear main seal. fill with oil, reinstall the flywheel and run the engine for 30 minutes or so. Now remove the flywheel and look for any leakage. This works great for finding slow leaks.
Scott Slauson - PCA WebSite - 6/13/2004
"How to" from the Porsche Club of America Tech:
Answer:
I have installed many of these with just about 100% success rate. Very rarely do they have a problem once fixed. When the transmission and flywheel are removed have them take a close look as to where the oil is coming from. Make sure if it is still coming from the rear main seal at the crankshaft edge or elsewhere. They can also leak from the case bolts. Should it be coming from the rear main seal then recheck the run out. The new style tool needs to have a 1/8" hole drilled in the face of it. This keeps it from locking on the crankshaft and giving false readings.
When I fix a rear main seal I do it all once so that it will not come back. I replace the rear main seal, intermediate shaft housing/seal and its 3 encapsulated bolts. I also epoxy the rear case bolts and just above and below the rear main seal after a thorough cleaning with brake clean. The epoxy from the rear main runs down to the intermediate shaft along the case halves not around the seal.
A useful way to find an oil and especially for yours before and after a repair is a water based spray penetrating die. This die comes in red or white. To verify it was fixed after the repair is to spray the back of the case and rear main seal. fill with oil, reinstall the flywheel and run the engine for 30 minutes or so. Now remove the flywheel and look for any leakage. This works great for finding slow leaks.
Scott Slauson - PCA WebSite - 6/13/2004
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