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Ryan9729 said:
Do you have the same car/engine but manual? Does it make you regret your decision for a manual? Would be really good to get your insight.
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Yep, I have a 718 GT4 in manual and my friend has a 718 GT4 with PDK. His is completely standard and has had a geo setup but no parts added. My car is modified with a LWFW, sports exhaust silencer and some Motorsport parts to allow a more aggressive geo. I've driven my on track and I was a passenger on track in the PDK car, both running Michelin Cup2 tyres. So not quite a like for like comparison, but pretty close.

I'm probably going to be stating the obvious here, but here goes anyway... For ease of use and consistent lap times the PDK box is clearly the way to go. The shifts are impeccable both up and down and it allows you to keep both hands on the wheel at all times. Every shift is identical to the last and perfect. The car is more settled with less weight transfer, smoother all round and very slick - effortless. Gearing isn't that much shorter than a manual and not enough to make a substantial difference in my view. I found that my manual car had more character with some more mechanical noise and interaction. PDK seemed too easy for my tastes, less raw feeling and less of a challenge to really nail a good series of bends, shifts and braking points. My car is much harder work to get right consistently but when you do it feels really, really good. I also think on the road it's a much more enjoyable option as it feels so rugged, mechanical and old-skool. Adding auto-blip on track really helps on the downshifts of course, but you still get that mechanical connection to the car via the use of the clutch and a manual shift. My take home view was that if you track a lot and you're chasing the absolute best times, or want an easier life on both road or track, then PDK is the way to go. Me, I'm completely satisfied with my manual 'box as I find it fabulous to use both on and off track and I enjoy the inconsistency of a manual gear change. The cars felt quite different to me and I think people will definitely prefer one over the other depending on what they want from a car.

YMMV, other opinions are available etc etc. Both are superb options, there's no right or wrong choice!

 
Twinfan said:
Ryan9729 said:
Do you have the same car/engine but manual? Does it make you regret your decision for a manual? Would be really good to get your insight.
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Yep, I have a 718 GT4 in manual and my friend has a 718 GT4 with PDK. His is completely standard and has had a geo setup but no parts added. My car is modified with a LWFW, sports exhaust silencer and some Motorsport parts to allow a more aggressive geo. I've driven my on track and I was a passenger on track in the PDK car, both running Michelin Cup2 tyres. So not quite a like for like comparison, but pretty close.

I'm probably going to be stating the obvious here, but here goes anyway... For ease of use and consistent lap times the PDK box is clearly the way to go. The shifts are impeccable both up and down and it allows you to keep both hands on the wheel at all times. Every shift is identical to the last and perfect. The car is more settled with less weight transfer, smoother all round and very slick - effortless. Gearing isn't that much shorter than a manual and not enough to make a substantial difference in my view. I found that my manual car had more character with some more mechanical noise and interaction. PDK seemed too easy for my tastes, less raw feeling and less of a challenge to really nail a good series of bends, shifts and braking points. My car is much harder work to get right consistently but when you do it feels really, really good. I also think on the road it's a much more enjoyable option as it feels so rugged, mechanical and old-skool. Adding auto-blip on track really helps on the downshifts of course, but you still get that mechanical connection to the car via the use of the clutch and a manual shift. My take home view was that if you track a lot and you're chasing the absolute best times, or want an easier life on both road or track, then PDK is the way to go. Me, I'm completely satisfied with my manual 'box as I find it fabulous to use both on and off track and I enjoy the inconsistency of a manual gear change. The cars felt quite different to me and I think people will definitely prefer one over the other depending on what they want from a car.

YMMV, other opinions are available etc etc. Both are superb options, there's no right or wrong choice!
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Spot on, having owned both a manual and pdk there isn’t a bad option.

My view is and this is purely non fact based, that the pdk feels more urgent and more responsive. What you loose out on in terms of gear changing interaction you win back in other ways.

again no wrong answer and both versions are amazing to own and drive anywhere

 
I can believe that with the PDK, it's the speed and smoothness of the shifts that does it. With the manual you can notice the extra time it takes to change gear, mostly across the gate either up or down from say 2nd to 3rd or 5th to 4th.

You can get some extra respnse and urgency in a manual by adding a LWFW. Just saying [;)]

 
As you say Jose, no bad option there. I agree with Dave’s comment as being the major factor, but just to add that obviously your relationship with the seat is very different when comparing the two systems. Quite clearly, with the PDK your back is always firmly in contact with the backrest whereas in the manual, when engaging the clutch and changing gear your body is twisting which is bound to give a different sensation.

Jeff

 
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