Is this what the new Cayster will look like?
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Brian_Innes
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Regarding the sports car feel repeatedly mentioned in several posts, I can unequivocally verify that if it's lightweight agility that is revered here, my Alpine A110 Legende GT, 292bhp, 7-speed DSG, tips the scales at 1122kg. That's 300kgs lighter than a Lotus Evira.
Porsche need to be careful not to spoil the handling agility and dynamic poise previously the hallmark of the mid-engined Caymans. Refinement adds weight. Handling dynamics demand lightness. For those of us who rate driving pleasure above all, our future custom may lie elsewhere, or in models of an earlier vintage.
Brian
Porsche need to be careful not to spoil the handling agility and dynamic poise previously the hallmark of the mid-engined Caymans. Refinement adds weight. Handling dynamics demand lightness. For those of us who rate driving pleasure above all, our future custom may lie elsewhere, or in models of an earlier vintage.
Brian
What an annoying little t*t! 
He makes some valid points which have been trotted-out endless times before … but weight reduction via composite natural fibre panels and 3-D printed gearboxes for a production car??? Get real!
I can’t say that I’m any the wiser as to what we’re going to get and, more importantly, when. Porsche are remaining very tight-lipped on this, and the clock is ticking if we’re going to see the car for MY2025.
Jeff
He makes some valid points which have been trotted-out endless times before … but weight reduction via composite natural fibre panels and 3-D printed gearboxes for a production car??? Get real!
I can’t say that I’m any the wiser as to what we’re going to get and, more importantly, when. Porsche are remaining very tight-lipped on this, and the clock is ticking if we’re going to see the car for MY2025.
Jeff
So another announcement today confirming what we all hoped wouldn't happen. I think it looks very 'koenigsegg'
https://www.motor1.com/ne...-electric-2025-launch/
https://www.motor1.com/ne...-electric-2025-launch/
Brian_Innes said:
My sentiments entirely Brian..
There's a reason why Porsche are investing millions in e-fuels. EV's have a place in a small radius area such as a city, but a sports car's appeal is negated by a huge percentage by a lack of audible emotion, rev matching, changing gear..etc etc..
As already stated in this thread, "I'm out" if the Cayman/Boxster goes EV..
Ed
Porsche will not be able to charge 911 level prices to recover very similar build costs for an EV Cayman
My view, which I may have stated here before, is that the Cayman/Boxster platform is going to be Porsche's sports car of the future. The GT4 e-Performance hints at this being the case, and I can see the Carrera Cup and Supercup switching to cars like this in the near future if petrol or sustainable fuels become unviable for new cars.
I think the 911 will die with the internal combustion engine. It will continue as long as possible, trading on its history and that of petrol, until Porsche are no longer allowed to sell them. They will become hybrid for sure, like the forthcoming GT2RS, but I don't think we'll ever see a full electric 911.
I guess we should all starting thinking about which car we want to be sat in when the music stops....
I think the 911 will die with the internal combustion engine. It will continue as long as possible, trading on its history and that of petrol, until Porsche are no longer allowed to sell them. They will become hybrid for sure, like the forthcoming GT2RS, but I don't think we'll ever see a full electric 911.
I guess we should all starting thinking about which car we want to be sat in when the music stops....
I guess that leads to speculation on their intention with the 911. Will it stand alone until the demise of ICE, or are they pinning their hopes on synthetic fuels to keep it alive? The 911 is primarily sold on its unique layout and dynamics. They could artificially configure and retain that balance with EV power but there is no logical reason to do so. With an EV Cayman and the the 4 seat Taycan, it could be the 911 which would not survive the ICE / EV transition.
There is also the VW ID platform that could be used to save development costs
All pure speculation on my part, but it is fun.
There is also the VW ID platform that could be used to save development costs
All pure speculation on my part, but it is fun.
That’s quite possible Dave, especially given the European Commission’s recent proposal for zero emissions from new cars and vans by 2035, although the German lobby is pushing strongly for e-fuels to be allowed for a while at least, so we’ll have to wait and see how that pans-out.
Never say never, but unless the big oil conglomerates can be persuaded to get involved in the large-scale production of such fuels - which would be needed to make it viable - I can’t see that becoming a reality for extending the use of IC engines in vehicle production, especially for the niche sports car market.
The Cayman/Boxster duo looks like Porsche dipping its toe into the full electric sports car market to gauge the response while continuing to use the ICE in some form for its precious and very lucrative 911 range. As Ralph points out, it’s an expensive experiment!
Jeff
Never say never, but unless the big oil conglomerates can be persuaded to get involved in the large-scale production of such fuels - which would be needed to make it viable - I can’t see that becoming a reality for extending the use of IC engines in vehicle production, especially for the niche sports car market.
The Cayman/Boxster duo looks like Porsche dipping its toe into the full electric sports car market to gauge the response while continuing to use the ICE in some form for its precious and very lucrative 911 range. As Ralph points out, it’s an expensive experiment!
Jeff
JohnCRS said:
Ha ha, no worries John! Porsche can milk the 911 cash cow while petrol is still here but I think they'll need a clean sheet for the future e-cars, hence me thinking they'll re-purpose the Cayman platform which doesn't have the same history. Although it has a pretty good history of its own, it's not got the appeal of the 911 to a lot of people.
For me, I've never been that bothered about 911s and have never considered buying one. The Cayman has always been the Porsche I aspired to, and I think for those younger than me and into electric cars the 911 badge isn't really worth anything to them either...
Agreed Andrew. A well thought out, stylish concept with more than adequate performance, which looks close to production ready. £80k? … I’m not sure how many takers there will be at that price when it will be facing competition from the likes of Alpine, Lotus and Porsche.
A good effort from a tiny outfit, which to me is better looking than what we’ve seen so far of Porsche’s electric sports car.
Jeff
A good effort from a tiny outfit, which to me is better looking than what we’ve seen so far of Porsche’s electric sports car.
Jeff
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