I wanted the Phillips ones but a customers at Halfords convinced me the own brand ones were brighter - I never have tried the Phillips but am very happy with the Halfords own.
Mike
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that car looks depressed [] i'll stick with the airbrakes for now.
So would you be if you'd lobbed out £700 for the kit,
I fancy changing my fog/driving lamps to a projector type setup to use on dip instead of raising the headlamps but I expect it wouldn't be legal.
Theyre too low to be anything other than auxiliary lamps. unfortunately. The minimum height for headlamps is 500mm. If I could have got away with that, Id have done it to my old car ages ago! [
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They could find a construction and use offence very easily, all theyd need was a tape measure. You dont even need headlamps for an MOT though (and theyre not even stamped now either, youll just get an advisory sheet stating that headlamps werent tested because they werent fitted and that the vehicle is not safe to use in poor light), so thats not going to be an obstacle: jusr disable them be disconnecting the switch. There are a lot of 'daylight use MOT' myths, such as you cant have any lights or a horn, but theyre all nonsense. There isnt such a thing as a daylight MOT and I think that the myth came from the stamp 'daylight use only' on the old style MOT certificate. As Ive already mentioned: that doesnt happen now, as this will be noted on the V32, so youll have a normal MOT should you need to present it.
Simon
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The police officer was incorrect; as is so often the case. They seem to get into the habit of interpreting the law, initially what they 'take it to mean': ending up with what they think it should be...
The back of the VT30 'fail sheet' contains similar information. This provision is clearly defined in law too, in either the RTA or C&U, but its a pig to trawl through and decipher.
As an aside, driving without an MOT will only land you with a £60 non-endorsable fixed penalty notice (from here).
Simon
The back of the VT30 'fail sheet' contains similar information. This provision is clearly defined in law too, in either the RTA or C&U, but its a pig to trawl through and decipher.
As an aside, driving without an MOT will only land you with a £60 non-endorsable fixed penalty notice (from here).
Simon
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With regards to 'daylight hours' MOTs: theres a lot of rubbish repeated on bike forums, but very, very little actual knowledge (like most forums I suppose, everyones an expert repeating what they heard).
THIS liks to the .pdf of a government magazine which explains exactly what the craic is...
Simon
THIS liks to the .pdf of a government magazine which explains exactly what the craic is...
Simon
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Of course; if you retain the original headlamps, then the following seems to allow you to use whatever lamps you wish, with no requirement to use the concealed lamps.
The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989
Made 28th September 1989
Laid before Parliament 11th October 1989
Coming into force 1st November 1989
Part 1 Schedule 5 (regulation 18 & 20) Requirements relating to obligatory main-beam headlamps and to optional main-beam headlamps to the extent specified in part 2
1. Number- a) Two
2. Position- a) Longitudinal: No requirement
b) Lateral- i)Where two main headlamps are required to be fitted-
(A)Maximum distance from the side of the vehicle: The outer edges of the illuminated areas must in no case be closer to the side of the vehicle than the outer edges of the illuminated areas of the obligatory dipped-beam headlamps.
c) Vertical: No requirement
5. Markings- a) An approval mark or a British Standard mark
7. Colour: White or Yellow
8. Wattage- a) No requirement
10. Electrical connections- a) Every main-beam headlamp shall be so constructed that the light emitted therefrom
i) can be deflected at the will of the driver to become a dipped beam or,
ii) can be extinguished by the operation of a device which at the same time either-
A) causes the lamp to emit a dipped beam, or
B) causes another lamp to emit a dipped beam.
12. Other requirements- a) Every main-beam headlamp shall be so constructed that the direction of the beam of light emitted therefrom can be adjusted whilst the vehicle is stationary.
The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989
Made 28th September 1989
Laid before Parliament 11th October 1989
Coming into force 1st November 1989
Part 1 Schedule 5 (regulation 18 & 20) Requirements relating to obligatory main-beam headlamps and to optional main-beam headlamps to the extent specified in part 2
1. Number- a) Two
2. Position- a) Longitudinal: No requirement
b) Lateral- i)Where two main headlamps are required to be fitted-
(A)Maximum distance from the side of the vehicle: The outer edges of the illuminated areas must in no case be closer to the side of the vehicle than the outer edges of the illuminated areas of the obligatory dipped-beam headlamps.
c) Vertical: No requirement
5. Markings- a) An approval mark or a British Standard mark
7. Colour: White or Yellow
8. Wattage- a) No requirement
10. Electrical connections- a) Every main-beam headlamp shall be so constructed that the light emitted therefrom
i) can be deflected at the will of the driver to become a dipped beam or,
ii) can be extinguished by the operation of a device which at the same time either-
A) causes the lamp to emit a dipped beam, or
B) causes another lamp to emit a dipped beam.
12. Other requirements- a) Every main-beam headlamp shall be so constructed that the direction of the beam of light emitted therefrom can be adjusted whilst the vehicle is stationary.
Copperman05
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One should be careful when using the term 'only', driving without an MOT will in most cases invalidate your insurance (unless driving to a pre-booked test centre), therefore you could well be prosecuted for driving without insurance as well which usually carries at least a £200 fine and 6 points.
Also the FPN (fixed penalty notice) is just one way of disposing of the offence, you could also be summonsed to court where the case would be heard by a Judge (who can impose his own fine) however this is much less common nowadays unless requested.
Edd
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Solicitors will disagree with you there Edd. They take your premium, you take their certificate and they indemnify you. The law does not allow insurers to choose where and when youre covered (irrespective of catch-all exceptions which are starting to appear in policy documents. Youre covered and that is that).
Copperman05
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They may well disagree but they would be wrong.
Looking forward to seeing the new lights!
Edd
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