Kettle Kemmel Spanker! Simples....

[jason]

The way forward for what though? Or who? Or where? Maybe we are all just happy accepting that other newer more powerful cars are quicker on certain tracks with certain long straights? Try driving an RSR flat out at Cadwell Park and the point may be clearer!![][][][][][] Otherwise where do you stop? You can add a 360bhp turbo engine to a 964RS...there will still be quicker cars!!! ...and lots of them[] Of course if all you're interested in is being quick on a straight in Belgium then of course its a great idea[][][][][]

 

[carreraboy]

The point as usual is being a little missed by some, but Phil has grasped it entirely in his post .... just to reiterate my opinion here again with fear of being flamed or told to go to the kettle section (I am still the proud owner of a 964RS by the way) ..... Here goes, as this is probably the most proactive track dayer Register on the Forum I chose here, not that I'm biased and love evryone here but I though here would be a good debating circle.... The question or debate is simply life after the 964RS is mothballed and boxed in a pension fund, what would make an ideal 964 track car, on any chassis ..... after enjoying the lazy power and progressive torque on a proper race circuit with proper straights etc, I thought how fabulous it would be if I could have the same performance but in a lightweight 911, the 964/965 Turbo Chassis came to mind and an easy build project and relatively inexpensive compared to the appreciating real RS market. Just a thought that's all .... to me the perfect match: Lightweight Chassis Air-Cooled Total Involvement Feedback Fantastic Power [link=http://porschebahn.wordpress.com/2009/02/08/1991-porsche-911-turbo/]http://porschebahn.wordpress.com/2009/02/08/1991-porsche-911-turbo/[/link] []

 

[chfs911]

I'll have one of these if you're buying Des! http://www.pistonheads.com/inc/popup3.asp?pictureURL=http://images.pistonheads.com/nimg/21861/hybridpork_1-L.jpg

 

[ChrisW]

For sheer grunt the Turbo has a lot going for it, but Turbos of the era required a telepathic right foot --- and overcooking it is not good when the tail starts drifting. Hence I know a 997GT2 driver who is reverting to a 997 GT3RS MkII for this very reason. I recall once test driving a Ford Escort RS Turbo --- yes, one of the Essex White ones ! We were doing quite nicely up to the clipping point out of the roundabout. Some may recall that this RS Turbo was the first car of it's type to have a LSD --- and when the Turbo spooled the whole front end drifted sideways out of the roundabout ! A brown trouser moment for the demo-ing salesman, I was too busy keeping it in shape [] As it happens, I ordered one out of sheer devilment, but I did get used to planting my foot a sixth sense before the moment the torque was required, --- and didn't always get it right. Even more exciting, was the way the car was stolen. But that would be far too "off topic" []

 

[carreraboy]

ORIGINAL: ChrisW For sheer grunt the Turbo has a lot going for it, but Turbos of the era required a telepathic right foot --- and overcooking it is not good when the tail starts drifting. Hence I know a 997GT2 driver who is reverting to a 997 GT3RS MkII for this very reason. I recall once test driving a Ford Escort RS Turbo --- yes, one of the Essex White ones ! We were doing quite nicely up to the clipping point out of the roundabout. Some may recall that this RS Turbo was the first car of it's type to have a LSD --- and when the Turbo spooled the whole front end drifted sideways out of the roundabout ! A brown trouser moment for the demo-ing salesman, I was too busy keeping it in shape [] As it happens, I ordered one out of sheer devilment, but I did get used to planting my food a sixth sense before the moment the torque was required, --- and didn't always get it right. Even more exciting, was the way the car was stolen. But that would be far too "off topic" []

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[jason]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy The point as usual is being a little missed by some, but Phil has grasped it entirely in his post .... The question or debate is simply life after the 964RS is mothballed and boxed in a pension fund, what would make an ideal 964 track car,

But Phil suggested putting a turbo in a 964RS? Not mothballing it in a pension fund. Think you are coming from different angles tbh. If you want a cheap 964 track car with turbo power then fine. But if you think that will give you the same feedback as a 964RS then I doubt it. Normally aspirated powerful cars and powerful turbo cars drive different and give different sensations imho. And I doubt it will be a kettle kummel spanker unless you invest serious £££ in it....and even then it certainly wont spank it....so you will end up with a very expensive mongrel. Woof. I'll move on...[]

 

[ChrisW]

Thanks Des [] Corrected .. with a little opposite lettering [][]

 

[paul howells]

A 964 turbo with a rsr spec motor would make a nice car,needs at least 380bhp,and trim at least 100kg out,still will not match a kettle though up kemmel. The kettles are just to efficient with drag to the older cars. A good example my old gt2r up kemmel,best was 170mph with 500bhp,it would hit a wall about a third of the way up,friend with GT2r in GT1 spec 199mph,but he required another 250bhp to achieve it and overcome the drag to his new wall,he was running 750bhp!!