Having dabbled in legal work mots car companies will not recall unless forced to due to costs. Porsche is no different as they would be inundated with claims and if replaced and issues arise they would be accountable as well. The only way is to for a large number of people to take a class action and numerous cases. each case cost porsche money to defend - as per any manufacturer its all about profit margins
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Greenslade
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Thanks Kasspa, I have emergency cover as part of my car policy will check who with. When you had your box dropped was it because of a leak, and did the Indi say anything about this approved fix?
Thanks
Roy
Thanks
Roy
thirteeneast
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I guess that Silicone is an approved medium as lots of car builders use liquid gaskets but by means of compression between two surfaces.
Not smeared into a hole?.
Thats just incompetent workmanship and not how they designed it it the first place.
So unless they have a service bulletin for it they have to do it with a seal as thats the repair procedure.
Just demand them to put it in writing that Porsche procedure is to fix your leaking IMS seal with silicone.
See how keen and committed they are to put it in writing.
Not smeared into a hole?.
Thats just incompetent workmanship and not how they designed it it the first place.
So unless they have a service bulletin for it they have to do it with a seal as thats the repair procedure.
Just demand them to put it in writing that Porsche procedure is to fix your leaking IMS seal with silicone.
See how keen and committed they are to put it in writing.
geoffpfc
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] Sorry to hear of your problems, but I would move it on while it still has some warranty left on it, preferably trade it in for an Audi and preferably an Audi dealer who is part of a group which includes a Porsche dealer.
IMHO you will get no sympathy from any of the media as you deserve trouble as you're Porsche owner and therefore a "rich git"Now you see why they lost the war - too arrogant to accept that they make mistakes!
You could try demonstrating outside the OPC - I have found that direct action can focus the minds, but it can be a bit embarrassing - I've not tried this with Porsche though!
Good Luck.
] Sorry to hear of your problems, but I would move it on while it still has some warranty left on it, preferably trade it in for an Audi and preferably an Audi dealer who is part of a group which includes a Porsche dealer.IMHO you will get no sympathy from any of the media as you deserve trouble as you're Porsche owner and therefore a "rich git"Now you see why they lost the war - too arrogant to accept that they make mistakes!
You could try demonstrating outside the OPC - I have found that direct action can focus the minds, but it can be a bit embarrassing - I've not tried this with Porsche though!
Good Luck.
as RH said if fixed by OPC and under warranty they should fix it again (up to 2 years) take it to another OPC,contact manager ask for compensation for your lost time tell them taking to watchdog/trading standards autocrat etc. I got £1000 comp after i complained about the number of faults with my BMW motorbike (mots under warranty) but costing me days off work
Greenslade
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My understanding is that repairs done under the Porsche warranty are only covered for the remaining time of the warranty, which in my case is until the end of this year.....have been promised that a letter is on its way from Porsche confirming that applying silicone to the ims seal is an approved application..I wonder!!
thirteeneast
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And a reference for the advising service bulletin for that method of IMS seal repair.
Not just a letter approving the use of Silicon!.
Not just a letter approving the use of Silicon!.
I cannot believe that this is a genuine engineering solution to a known problem. Just imagine what could happen if the silicon broke down or excess silicon got into the oilways and they became blocked! !!!!
Sound like a back street bodge to me.
I will take some convincing that this is approved by Porsche AG.
Sound like a back street bodge to me.
I will take some convincing that this is approved by Porsche AG.
steveoz32
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I can't believe I have read this, I wouldn't dream of doing any thing like this and considering it a repair on any of my vehicles. How on earth can Porsche tech's justify it?
I suspect it is to keep people going under warranty so that they do not have to foot a big bill. After all, a warranty is much the same as insurance, a money making exercise for the most.
I've used liquid gasket on sumps and intake manifolds before along with the OE gasket to hold it in place and provide a better contact on surfaces, but smearing silicone in something like that sounds much like something you would do to the weather strip on your back door, not a precision engine!
I wish I could be of more use, but I would try to gather facts and contact Porsche to find it this really is an 'approved' fix. I suspect the only capacity this would be used in is in a temporary fix situation while the parts are sourced and time is scheduled to resolve the issue.
Anyhow, good luck with getting it sorted.
I suspect it is to keep people going under warranty so that they do not have to foot a big bill. After all, a warranty is much the same as insurance, a money making exercise for the most.
I've used liquid gasket on sumps and intake manifolds before along with the OE gasket to hold it in place and provide a better contact on surfaces, but smearing silicone in something like that sounds much like something you would do to the weather strip on your back door, not a precision engine!
I wish I could be of more use, but I would try to gather facts and contact Porsche to find it this really is an 'approved' fix. I suspect the only capacity this would be used in is in a temporary fix situation while the parts are sourced and time is scheduled to resolve the issue.
Anyhow, good luck with getting it sorted.
I talked to 3 of the techies from my local Porsche Centre last night regarding the use of silicone sealant. They just looked at each other and laughed, thought I was joking! Apparently there is a silicone lubricant used to aid insertion of the seal but that is all. They had seen cars with all sorts of crap daubed around the seal in a desperate measure to stop leaks. They had also seen screwdriver dings in the casing, which others had used as a removing tool!
chriscoates81
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why cant they just use the turbo engine without the turbo?
Greenslade
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Is there a known engineering solution to IMS leaks?. The OPC/PCGB say that the area into which the seal fits is fine, with no ovality or other defects. From what I have been able to gather the problem could be where the seal fits into the casing as there is a joint between the bottom and top of the crank case! (not sure if that is the right term).
Anyone have a drawing of the IMS area.
It will be interesting to see what the letter says
Anyone have a drawing of the IMS area.
It will be interesting to see what the letter says
No drawings, I'm afraid, but here is a photo - with the intermediate shaft support removed:
And one with the support being re-fitted:
(Courtesy of flat6innovations.com)
(Courtesy of flat6innovations.com)
And here is the diagram from the parts lists. which shows the seal:
Greenslade
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Thank you Richard, this does help make things clearer for me
there are several people who replace the IMS with stronger bearings (LN ceramic) . Its not cheap mine was 1750 at autofarm (more for C4 tip) but i can gets easy for next 48K miles. You can install a IMS guardian £300 +install+vat which advises when a failure is imminent or take the risk......depends how much of a gambler your are
lots of links on here , 911uk etc
lots of links on here , 911uk etc
thirteeneast
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This info is well documented.
This Is why I asked you have your changed your oil and torn your filter apart?.
It is the first thing I would do.
What causes excessive bearing wear? well we would all like to know that?
My guess would be shafts that don't spin true. But thats just my guess there would be several other!.
All you need to know about your IMS
This Is why I asked you have your changed your oil and torn your filter apart?.
It is the first thing I would do.
What causes excessive bearing wear? well we would all like to know that?
My guess would be shafts that don't spin true. But thats just my guess there would be several other!.
All you need to know about your IMS
Greenslade
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My oil and filter was checked and was OK.
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