Low Mileage 3.2 Value?
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sgat_555
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Wow, great to see all these pictures of early yellow 911's in the north or England. Do you guys get to any of the shows? There is a relatively new show at Wyreside hall in Lancashire. If any of you went on the recent Lakes drive which met at Forton services on the M6, the meeting point was only 2 miles away from Wyreside. Maybe we could organise to meet up there next time the show is on. I'm hoping to get my replica back on the road before the summer in which case I will post some pictures.
Ok, back on to the main subject of this thread. The low mileage 3.2 I mentioned eventually sold to a dealer for 21500 GBP. Lets see what it comes back on the market for. It was quite an interesting story with the car. The guy bought it as a present when his son was born in 1989 with the idea to give it as a gift when he passed his driving test. The father used it for a couple of holidays and special occasions and racked up the 14000 miles over 14 years. Anyway, his son is now 17 with driving license BUT he wants a Corsa instead. I bet he regrets that in a year of two...
By the way, if anyone is looking for genuine 2.7 RS lightweight bumpers of ducktails, let me know.
Cheers, Stuart
Ok, back on to the main subject of this thread. The low mileage 3.2 I mentioned eventually sold to a dealer for 21500 GBP. Lets see what it comes back on the market for. It was quite an interesting story with the car. The guy bought it as a present when his son was born in 1989 with the idea to give it as a gift when he passed his driving test. The father used it for a couple of holidays and special occasions and racked up the 14000 miles over 14 years. Anyway, his son is now 17 with driving license BUT he wants a Corsa instead. I bet he regrets that in a year of two...
By the way, if anyone is looking for genuine 2.7 RS lightweight bumpers of ducktails, let me know.
Cheers, Stuart
Oliver and Burrow, yeah i think i will join the club and like you say contact the register. I exchanged a few emails last year with the secretary, Steve i think.
The cognac comparison is a good one! It is also the last of the 53 rhd clubsports which I guess adds a bit to it as well.
Was going to take her out today but the rain was threatening by the time i got round to it. Will have to make it to one of the porsche events soon.
Regards,
Rohan
The cognac comparison is a good one! It is also the last of the 53 rhd clubsports which I guess adds a bit to it as well.
Was going to take her out today but the rain was threatening by the time i got round to it. Will have to make it to one of the porsche events soon.
Regards,
Rohan
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Sorry, really can't agree with the idea of owning a 911 with only 2K on the clock. Surely the point is to enjoy it and drive it. Its also the case, even if you garage it, that the original tyres will not be sound after 18 years and the engine will not be in best shape if it isn't regularly warmed up to full operating temperature. And if it has such low miles it won't even have been run in and the revs not used. What a waste.
Apologies in advance if this offends, not my intention, just don't agree with someone missing out on the full Porsche ownership.
And as for depreciation/ value, if you love it so much and keep it long term, then worry of depreciation should not be a big issue.
Apologies in advance if this offends, not my intention, just don't agree with someone missing out on the full Porsche ownership.
And as for depreciation/ value, if you love it so much and keep it long term, then worry of depreciation should not be a big issue.
This whole engine wont be ok if not warmed up etc is to my mind unfounded. my car is regularly warmed up but i feel seen as the warm up is where most wear occurs i tend to turn it over and get the oil light to go out without starting it more often. The tyres are ofcourse a different story but they seem fine and will stay on the car for originality etc.
I would agree about the waste but surely it is cool to keep a few cars as new. It just ended up low mileage rather than it being a plan but now thats how it will stay as it would be stupid to pull it out now and start clocking them up.
No offence taken, as always it is a difficult case to argue as few people have been in the predicament but i do get a kick out of the car as it is.
I would agree about the waste but surely it is cool to keep a few cars as new. It just ended up low mileage rather than it being a plan but now thats how it will stay as it would be stupid to pull it out now and start clocking them up.
No offence taken, as always it is a difficult case to argue as few people have been in the predicament but i do get a kick out of the car as it is.
bones
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It must be odd to own such a low mileage car because as you say if you drive it now it will lose it's value. It is really to be appreciated as a museum piece which from my perspective is ok if had real history ie was a race car. On the other hand it must be cool to own such a pristine example. Just two little points which I had wanted to raise when you first posted but didn't want to offend you and they are firstly your tyres are probaly illegal and definitely dangerous even if visibly they look fine they are perished at that age, if you are driving and suffer a tyre failure and hurt yourself, someone else or damage the car I doubt your insurance would support you and the police would rightly prosecure you for driving on old tyres. If you want to show the car with the original tyres on buy some good used Fuchs and new tyres and use them when you go out for a spin, put the original wheels and tyres back on when you get to where you are showing the car off. Just one point on the engine but it's probably too late. If the car has been kept in a garage with good temperature control then the engines metal components may have survived ok but if it's in a typical outside British garage exposed to the condesation that will undoubtedly occur then the insides of that engine may not be as pristine as the outside is, just a thought, if you want to ensure you at least keep things as they are drive it once a month for say twenty miles, make sure you keep the revs up (use lower gears) and get some real heat into the engine, change the engine oil every year or three thousand miles on under used engines. If you don't drive it the piston rings no longer 'bed' into the cylinder walls properly, they become effectively 'soft' and you need to restablish the integrity of the piston ring/bore seal, best done by hard driving. Good luck I'm sure what I've said has drifted through a lot of other people's minds.
It's all down to individual choice, but I like the idea of 'Time Warp' cars, particularly if it's an interesting model.
However, if the car is to be preserved in optimum condition it really does need some regular use. OK, from October to March it can be carefully stored but, through the dry summer period, it really should be driven for a good hour at least once a month. This probably only equates to about 300 miles per year, but at least it gets a proper heat cycle through all the mechanical parts and keeps all the systems in operating condition.
I know that ultra low mileage is very desirable, but I would still prefer a car that has done 500 miles p.a. to one that has done 100 miles p.a.
It's also sensible to replace the original tyres and preserve them for the future (display/concours). Otherwise they will 'go off' and compromise safety.
However, if the car is to be preserved in optimum condition it really does need some regular use. OK, from October to March it can be carefully stored but, through the dry summer period, it really should be driven for a good hour at least once a month. This probably only equates to about 300 miles per year, but at least it gets a proper heat cycle through all the mechanical parts and keeps all the systems in operating condition.
I know that ultra low mileage is very desirable, but I would still prefer a car that has done 500 miles p.a. to one that has done 100 miles p.a.
It's also sensible to replace the original tyres and preserve them for the future (display/concours). Otherwise they will 'go off' and compromise safety.
The tyre point is a good one, may keep an eye out for a set to use as it were. Your point about the legality is interesting, do you mean in a crash resulting from the 'neglect' or is there actually an age limit on tyres?
As for storage, it is kept in a dehumidified and temp controlled garage. During the winter the brake discs dont even corrode!
I also block the air filter intake and the exhaust.
The oil is changed every year myself and the brake fluid every few years but again by myself. It has never seen a garage in its life.
During the summer months the car gets a decent drive and is then 'warmed' up at idle although a car never really warms properly unless driven, it is at least hot enough to burn off any moisture that may collect in the oil.
When is the next porsche event?
As for storage, it is kept in a dehumidified and temp controlled garage. During the winter the brake discs dont even corrode!
I also block the air filter intake and the exhaust.
The oil is changed every year myself and the brake fluid every few years but again by myself. It has never seen a garage in its life.
During the summer months the car gets a decent drive and is then 'warmed' up at idle although a car never really warms properly unless driven, it is at least hot enough to burn off any moisture that may collect in the oil.
When is the next porsche event?
jamescharnley
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tyres are date stamped. I think new laws coming in ( not yet in place?) will state tyres must be no older than 5 years old.
bones
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Sounds like you are doing all the right stuff regarding storage except for keeping the engine healthy, fortunately you change the oil often though, which will have helped. A 911 won't get hot enough to burn off the water vapour created when idling the engine, a spirited drive is the only thing that will burn off the water in the oil. Moiture left in an engine will also corrode the cams. If you drive it hard once a month for twenty miles that is 240 miles a year.I f you only take it out six months of that year you can half that so it will stay an extremely low mileage car but should be healthier.
This is just my opinion, so hope no offense, but these wonderful cars are to be driven, heard and admired by the public as you cruise down the high street.
There are plenty of museum and large private collection where such cars receive the best possible care, attention and maintenance
As for an investment, there are much better returns to be had elsewhere.
As this is you pride and joy, I hope it brings you many years of enjoyment [
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There are plenty of museum and large private collection where such cars receive the best possible care, attention and maintenance
As for an investment, there are much better returns to be had elsewhere.
As this is you pride and joy, I hope it brings you many years of enjoyment [
]Its no investment!
It gets a good hard drive evry couple of months in the summer. Tend to take it on a 50 mile trip each time.
The MOT's are done by a mate who appreciates the car and it is an in out affair where he doesnt really check anything as it is a'new' car. I like it that way.
I like the car so much that I was toying with the idea of buying a left hand drive one (as there were some really good value ones about a couple of years back) to drive more often (everyday in the summer). I like left hand drive and dont mind the suspension set up etc.
The car I use mostly in the summer is a 1973 3.0 csl which is in the same vein as the clubsport. Indeed the 3.2 csl(batmobile) is often compared to the 2.7 rs.
Regards,
Rohan
It gets a good hard drive evry couple of months in the summer. Tend to take it on a 50 mile trip each time.
The MOT's are done by a mate who appreciates the car and it is an in out affair where he doesnt really check anything as it is a'new' car. I like it that way.
I like the car so much that I was toying with the idea of buying a left hand drive one (as there were some really good value ones about a couple of years back) to drive more often (everyday in the summer). I like left hand drive and dont mind the suspension set up etc.
The car I use mostly in the summer is a 1973 3.0 csl which is in the same vein as the clubsport. Indeed the 3.2 csl(batmobile) is often compared to the 2.7 rs.
Regards,
Rohan
Its a BMW. Has ally panels, thinner gauge steel frame LSD and other bits and pieces. They rust like mad but in their day were king of the road. They cost £6.5k in '73 when an e type was £2.5k!
I have been thinking about getting a 964 turbo as i think they look so right, that muscle in a smooth less fussy shape. I started looking into them and found the 3.6's rarer and more expensive and there were people saying to get a 3.3 as the difference isnt that noticeable.
How have you found yours?
Rohan
I have been thinking about getting a 964 turbo as i think they look so right, that muscle in a smooth less fussy shape. I started looking into them and found the 3.6's rarer and more expensive and there were people saying to get a 3.3 as the difference isnt that noticeable.
How have you found yours?
Rohan
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Rohan,
I love it. Like you I think it looks so right. And it goes like stink!
Unfortunately I got a bum deal from a well known dealer who didn't carry out alot of the repairs and am paying the price of puting it right, and a few sensible mods. But it is an amazing car. They are rare, I never see one on the road or at any meets, only via web forums.
PS: I do love the 3.2's, I had 2.
I love it. Like you I think it looks so right. And it goes like stink!
Unfortunately I got a bum deal from a well known dealer who didn't carry out alot of the repairs and am paying the price of puting it right, and a few sensible mods. But it is an amazing car. They are rare, I never see one on the road or at any meets, only via web forums.
PS: I do love the 3.2's, I had 2.
Yeah its one of those cars i loved when new and the lust has not waned. They have it just right. Its a pity about the dealer but then again putting them right does give satisfaction once they weren't extortionate when you bought them.
They are from the era when rust protection and manufacturing allowed the cars to be used everyday and with a bit of care they can be kept looking as new. I have a bmw 840 from the same era.
I have never driven a turbo but can imagine the kick. One part of me says go for an early 930 with the less refined kick but the other says go for a later more refined and useable car!
Hope you carry on enjoying the car.
All the best,
Rohan
They are from the era when rust protection and manufacturing allowed the cars to be used everyday and with a bit of care they can be kept looking as new. I have a bmw 840 from the same era.
I have never driven a turbo but can imagine the kick. One part of me says go for an early 930 with the less refined kick but the other says go for a later more refined and useable car!
Hope you carry on enjoying the car.
All the best,
Rohan
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