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My 2019 718 Cayman GTS PDK

I recall hearing an interview on Radio Le Mans with Doug Fehan, the Team Principle at Corvette Racing whilst at the 24hours race this year where it was discussed that the long life fully synthetic lubricants used today are good for their specified schedules and there was no requirement for interim oil changes.

Normally at La Sarthe, the only lubrication I'm interested in, is the overpriced lager but it was very interesting and it's worth a listen.

http://www.radiolemans.co/2018/06/16/mobil-1-at-le-mans-2/

My 718 is due its first service in November. I was planning on buying the oil in advance to keep the costs down but it sounds like not all OPC will oblige.

 
Mobil 1 oil may well be perfectly durable for 2 years/20,000 miles use. My thoughts on the interim oil and filter change were mainly centred on the post running-in period and occasional track day use.

I'll also check out OPC Chester on the topic of me supplying the Mobil 1 oil and the filter, and the resulting effect on the invoice price.

Brian

 
Brian,

Just to add that as as a PCGB Member, if you use any OPC you're entitled to a 10% discount on parts, so you only need to persuade them to use your own oil.

Jeff

 
After much thought and investigative pricing, I have decided to go for the interim oil and filter change. It's a piece-of-mind thing for me.

I contacted OPC Chester and they confirmed they had no problem with me supplying the Mobil 1 0W-40 oil for the interim oil service. Chester also confirmed PCGB discount on the oil filter element and quoted £242.60 including VAT for the oil and filter service. This is a substantial saving compared to the original OPC quotes of £396 and £350. I shall purchase the Mobil 1 oil from Costco prior to the service.

As I am attending the PCGB Oulton Park track day on September 20th, the visit to OPC Chester for the oil service is ideal timing.

Brian

 
Brian,

For ultimate peace of mind, get the old oil tested.

http://www.theoillab.co.uk. Gold test

They’ll send back a full spectrochemical analysis. I run the car on track and started doing this after 3 Spanish track days in 90+ temperatures and now do it at every oil change. I have to say that I am seeing hardly any change between one analysis and the next, but that’s what I want to see.

Ralph

 
BJ Innes said:
After much thought and investigative pricing, I have decided to go for the interim oil and filter change. It's a piece-of-mind thing for me.

I contacted OPC Chester and they confirmed they had no problem with me supplying the Mobil 1 0W-40 oil for the interim oil service. Chester also confirmed PCGB discount on the oil filter element and quoted £242.60 including VAT for the oil and filter service. This is a substantial saving compared to the original OPC quotes of £396 and £350. I shall purchase the Mobil 1 oil from Costco prior to the service.

As I am attending the PCGB Oulton Park track day on September 20th, the visit to OPC Chester for the oil service is ideal timing.

Brian

Brian, what are your thoughts of doing oil and filter change via an independent , or learning to diy for a novice like me with a car like mine that's out of manufacturer warranty.
 
Result.! Better safe than sorry Brian and although strictly speaking I'm sure that it's unnecessary, once that nagging thought is there it's difficult to put it aside.

Apart from the fact that you've still to purchase the oil, that's a decent price reduction. Have a look at Opie Oils - they give PCGB Members a 10% price reduction and will probably be prepared to send the oil directly to Chester. I doubt that they'll actually use that oil on your car - most likely it'll just go into the common oil tank.

Jeff

 
Jeff, I've asked for the surplus oil to be returned to me. Hopefully Chester will use the oil from the packs I supply. I'll check Opie Oils pricing and postage compared to Costco buy and collect.

Ralph, an interesting option having the old oil analysed. For my own interest, I would be very keen to learn if any metallic particles are suspended in the oil following the factory engine build, subsequent running-in, and two track days. I'll give this option serious consideration. The results may also be of interest to other Porsche owners. I'll report back on this.

Sunder81, There are no local independent garages in my locality who I would entrust with doing the oil and filter service on my new 2019 718 CGTS. It's not an easy DIY job on the 718 anyway, when the warranty does eventually expire. I understand DIY oil changes are far simpler on 987 Caymans. My days of DIY oil changes ceased many years ago.

Brian



 
Brian

If you factor in the cost of Costco 10ltrs is £60 and Filter and sump gasket is £20 ..that leaves £162 for labour off your Chester quote so not a bad deal as you said takes 1.1/2hrs and get a stamp in the book.

 
Saw a few you tube videos of 981 Cayman oil change. Has anyone in this forum done it by themselves , just wondering if there are any tips for or against .

 
For presence of metallic particles ....

- I`d be more tempted to inspect the old oil filter.

- Install a magnetic drain plug although I only see them for the 986 & 987 models.

 
Jeff,

An interesting report. The Spyder is niche car, whereas the Boxster GTS is more mainstream among the convertibles genre. I can identify with the author's comments on the chassis comparisons between the two cars on rural roads, especially the Highland sort. I don't fancy faffing about with that tent hood contraption at the roadside in a Highland storm. For top down touring, if that's your thing, the Boxster GTS makes a compelling case, provided you can live with the engine sound of course. But let's not start up that old chestnut again! In residual value terms, the Spyder will hold its value better than the 718 Boxster GTS.

The 982 GT4 is a more track focused machine and will out-perform the 718 Cayman GTS on the race track, so the comparison is much more a stark choice depending upon the owner's needs. When the 982 GT4 offers the PDK option, and the resulting liberation of engine torque, sales will jump.

Final note on the oil, Costco currently charging £31.18 incl VAT for 5 litres Mobil 1 0W 40 Fully Synthetic. Halfords have a Mobil 1 promotion offer at present with 0W 40 costing £39.20 for 5 litres.

Brian



 
Just to prove I do not make a habit of disagreeing with you Brian, gotta say that I feel you are spot on ref: the Spyder...that roof is a PITA in the UK where the weather is very variable, I too would go for the traditional Boxster...just as long as it has a F6 engine. 😬

 
Thanks to Brian’s glowing reports i finally had a short test drive of a 718 GTS PDK today.

Stepping out of my 981 S PDK and cruising around Newcastle i was pleased to find that my first impressions were positive. The steering was better especially with the GT smaller diameter wheel and yes the noise was not unpleasant or intrusive. I did not get chance to really push on and explore the performance and will save that for another day. My OPC sales chap had been very hospitable as i had been open from the start about not being in the market for one at present.He did confirm the arrival of the 6 cylinder engine later in the year and thought there would be S and GTS versions.

I am going to have a think about whether a 718 with the right spec could allow me to go down to two cars..

 
John,

Always worth trying something different. I'm relieved to learn my "glowing reports" on the 718 GTS PDK are not entirely unfounded.[;)]

The next two weekends coming up see events at Knockhill circuit in Fife. The first, this Sunday is the World of Supercars event which is a showcase for all sports car marques. There is also the opportunity for some track time which I shall use to set up my GoPro with some new mounts I need to test, and also to configure the Porsche Track Precision App which I have not yet tested on the track. The following Saturday 17th, is the PCGB Knockhill track day. I'm hoping for a dry day.

Brian



 
Knockhill Supercar Event

I attended the first of two track events on consecutive weekends at Knockhill last Sunday. The World of Supercars was a showcase for the spectating public to see and hear some of the best sports cars made, and also to observe the cars performing at speed on the track. All the major marques were represented, AC, Alpine, Caterham, Ferrari, Jaguar, Lister, Lotus, McLaren, Mercedes, and many others, including, of course Porsches of all engine configurations. I really enjoy participating in events such as these. The wide variety of machinery represented is always interesting, and presents the opportunity to chat with owners of other sports car marques.

The weather forecast for the day of the event was dire. However, upon arrival at Knockhill for the signing-on at 9.00am, the sky was bright, if overcast, and most importantly the track was bone dry. I had taken the option of three 15 minute track sessions at a very reasonable £75. With two sessions in the morning, it looked promising for some dry track time before the heavy rain forecast descended upon us. The track cars were split into two groups. I was assigned to Group 1 which was a sparse collection of older Ferraris, a 997 GT3, and a 987 Boxster. Free tuition was available on request from a current Knockhill racing driver based in the pit lane.

My main objective was a shake-down track test with my 718 Cayman GTS, but also to check out the GpPro mounting, and configure the Porsche Track Precision App for the PCGB Knockhill track day the following weekend. Having previously done many laps at Knockhill with my previous 718 Cayman S, which had an identical chassis spec, I was keen to establish the degree of performance advantage the GTS would have over the more humble "S". As previously reported on this thread, the on-the-road differences in performance between the two models is certainly noticeable, but not to a huge degree. I was anticipating more of a difference in track performance between the CS and the GTS, especially on a circuit I know extremely well. I was not to be disappointed.

I took up the offer of free tuition from Malcolm, the resident racing driver, who accompanied me for 5 laps with the purpose of tweaking a few extra tenths at two challenging sections I felt needed improving on, the chicane, and Clark's corner at the back of the circuit. The line of approach to these two corners is critical if you are intent on putting together a quick lap. Malcolm pointed out subtle line changes at both corners which proved very helpful in subsequent laps when I was out on my own in the car. I cannot stress highly enough the value of professional track tuition. Even at my advanced age and on a track I know well, tuition is always of value even to the experienced track day driver.

The 718 Cayman GTS PDK is essentially a luxuriously equipped touring car. It is also a superlative track performer. The extra power and torque of the GTS over the S is clearly discernible at several points on the Knockhill track. Exiting Turn 3, which was tested in both 2nd and 3rd gears, with 3rd being entirely appropriate when one-up, exiting Turn 6, and most significantly, exiting Turn 7 the hairpin leading onto the uphill start/finish straight. The extra torque provided a sling-shot pull up the long uphill drag, culminating in a terminal speed of 122mph under the Beatson's bridge. Impressive stuff for a mainstream Cayman.

The chassis, especially at the rear, is a further development of the 981 Cayman GTS, sitting 10mm lower, a wider track on wider wheels, with revised anti-roll bar mountings, extra subframe bracing, and additional dynamic engine and transmission mountings. The resulting sum of these developments together become blatantly apparent on the race track, far more so than on the public roads. The body roll, pitch, and squat, are so tightly controlled on the 718 GTS, especially so when Sport Plus is selected, that the grip and handling is on a level previously occupied only by the best GT Porsches of less than a decade ago. Knockhill circuit is a severe test of any chassis, and woe betide any car that is prone to understeer. Audis take note. The sheer poise and balance of the GTS made light work of the blind dips and crests, and the improved steering feel and quicker rack gave this particular driver the confidence to commit to the roller coaster ride that Knockhill provides in spades. The PCCB ceramic composite brakes are absolutely superb. The confidence conveyed to the driver through the consistent reassuring feel of the brake pedal during the two 120mph stops, made this particular option worth every penny in my book.

Now to the lap times. It was a stroke of fortune that my particular track group had no McLarens, Caterhams, or Skyline GTR's. Only a sole 997 GT3 providing a token opposition to my 718 GTS. On the twisty and dippy sections the 997 GT3 showed its age, with the driver deciding to give way to my quicker 718 GTS on the following straight. Once clear of traffic, I posted a reference lap time on the PCM of 1.01.2 seconds which was a respectable time for a starter. My best lap of the day, just as the rain started spitting, dipped into the 60 second bracket which was encouraging for a 72 year old retired racer. Given a clear track, and with all the planets aligning, I would say a sub-one minute time is attainable with my car on the Michelin PS4S tyres. While on the subject of tyres, I will repeat my statement made last year, that the PS4S N0 has a very short track grip durability. In my experience only two 61 second laps of Knockhill were possible before the grip melted away and the PS4S became all squirmy and slidey. They are after all essentially a road tyre with outstanding wet grip performance. The wet grip is achieved at the expense of consistent dry grip on the race track. This is where Michelin Cup2's would raise the game of the 718 GTS performance on the track. Put simply, Cup 2's have the hot lap durability the PS4S lacks. For those interested, my geo settings have proved ideally suited for track use with consistently even wear across the whole tread width, both front and rear. My tyre pressures for the day were set at 2.1 Bar (30psi) cold. Pressure increased to 2.5 Bar (36psi) following a 5 lap stint. No graining or overheating evident on the treads afterwards.

Next weekend the PCGB track day calendar visits Knockhill. The weather forecast is not great, but hopefully I'll get some dry laps in at some point during the day. A report will follow.

Some photos below for your interest.

Brian

At speed on the uphill straight with tutor Malcolm providing helpful tips. (Photo by Paul Barlow)









 

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