My 2019 718 Cayman GTS PDK
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Brian_Innes
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Matt and DWaldie,
Thanks for the helpful tips. The VR option I shall certainly follow up, and the PC option also. I definitely do not want any screen action delay so that's well noted.
I'll be posting my thoughts on this topic later.
Anything to relieve the boredom of not driving..........
Brian
Thanks for the helpful tips. The VR option I shall certainly follow up, and the PC option also. I definitely do not want any screen action delay so that's well noted.
I'll be posting my thoughts on this topic later.
Anything to relieve the boredom of not driving..........
Brian
Brian,
Although the driving sims are great for a bit of fun, if you're after a real driving experience I wouldn't bother. Although the graphics can be very realistic, the steering and pedal force-feedback feels rather artificial on the games devices, and the lack of lateral and vertical G-forces is the biggest downside for me (seat but-kickers are far too crude in operation).
I'm sure that if you were prepared to spend mega-bucks, some of the steering and pedal force-feedback and the seat motion limitations could be addressed in part. Here's the type of thing that's available for military flight simulators - motors drive moving elements in the seat bucket, seat pan, back-pad, shoulder harness and seat belt to simulate G-forces.
https://www.moog.com/content/dam/moog/literature/ICD/G-Seats.pdf
Jeff
Although the driving sims are great for a bit of fun, if you're after a real driving experience I wouldn't bother. Although the graphics can be very realistic, the steering and pedal force-feedback feels rather artificial on the games devices, and the lack of lateral and vertical G-forces is the biggest downside for me (seat but-kickers are far too crude in operation).
I'm sure that if you were prepared to spend mega-bucks, some of the steering and pedal force-feedback and the seat motion limitations could be addressed in part. Here's the type of thing that's available for military flight simulators - motors drive moving elements in the seat bucket, seat pan, back-pad, shoulder harness and seat belt to simulate G-forces.
https://www.moog.com/content/dam/moog/literature/ICD/G-Seats.pdf
Jeff
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My grandsons (8 & 11) have an X-Box coupled to 50" or so Sony LED smart TV .
I have to say that the relatively few times I have been able to participate in racing with them ,I have found it an exhilarating experience ( & always beaten) with so much choice of cars,adjustments,types of racing etc.
I forget the game titles now but they have the top 2 discs- 1 for cars -the other for football.
No experience of dedicated wheel/ pedal kit but the feedback via the X Box handsets is very good.
My impression is that one could spend every hour of the rest of your life on it & never beat a young lad
Enjoy whatever you choose.
Best wishes
Colin
I have to say that the relatively few times I have been able to participate in racing with them ,I have found it an exhilarating experience ( & always beaten) with so much choice of cars,adjustments,types of racing etc.
I forget the game titles now but they have the top 2 discs- 1 for cars -the other for football.
No experience of dedicated wheel/ pedal kit but the feedback via the X Box handsets is very good.
My impression is that one could spend every hour of the rest of your life on it & never beat a young lad
Enjoy whatever you choose.
Best wishes
Colin
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Brian_Innes
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An update on my sim racing thoughts......
First thing, there is a lot more depth to this idea than I originally thought.
Sim racing is on a different level altogether from console gaming with a Playstation or Xbox. Clamping a budget steering wheel onto a desk and having fun crashing into the other cars or armco barriers with an off-the-shelf car racing game is not what I had in mind when I set out on this quest. I wanted a more realistic driving simulation experience more in keeping with my personal experience in motorsport, and without spending a fortune.
I have a very good contact through Knockhill's Rory Butcher, current BTCC driver, and my former track driving tutor. In the current motorsport lockdown, Rory is using a home based PC system, with a Thrustmaster T300 steering wheel, pedals, seat rig, and VR headset, to keep his hand-in during the track driving drought. Using Rory's kit as a benchmark I then consulted the Demon Tweeks website where there is a very good article in how to get started with a home sim-racing set-up.
This is when my eyes were opened as to the true nature, and costs, of what is involved in acquiring a basic starter sim racing kit for home use. For example, Demon Tweeks offer a complete rig including Sparco seat, mid-range detachable FFB alcantara steering wheel, and resistance adjustable pedals for around £1300. To that princely sum you have to add a gaming PC and monitor to complete the basic set-up. All this before you even get yourself started on which racing game you wish to apply yourself to. A rough tally of the cost of the component parts leaves very little change out of £2000 at the very least expensive estimate.
You may have already read in the current edition of Porsche Post that PCGB is in the process of launching a sim-racing championship for members based on the GT3 Carrera Cup cars. This uses the digital iRacing subscription platform as the basis for the intended club championship. I'm sure this new venture will create much interest and further information is available by visiting porscheclubgb.com/motorsport/sim-racing. Whether or not I am prepared to spend this amount of money on a racing sim is currently under careful, and protracted consideration. More on that later.
On the one hand, sim-racing is a cheaper option than track driving using your own car. When you add up the cost of entry, insurance, fuel, wear and tear on tyres and brakes, travel expenses, and hotel accommodation, not to mention possibility of mechanical or bodywork damage to the car in question, sim-racing sounds quite good value. All this real track driving "fun" is time limited and confined to a one day experience come rain or shine. You do have the social aspect as a positive though.
Sim-racing allows you unlimited time practicing to your heart's content, without any of the negative attributes of using your own car. You can also "drive' on any race track you like, at no extra cost, and for as many laps as you like, free from the financial costs or pride humiliations resulting from the inevitable excursions into the armco or tyre wall. Current sim-racing programme developments are becoming extremely sophisticated, with a myriad of chassis, tyre and suspension adjustments to satisfy the most knowledgable and experienced driver. I could see this whole thing becoming a serious industry in its own right especially under the current global lockdown crises.
My final thoughts on the topic is, that I shall wait until I have taken delivery of my new Macan Turbo, safely tucked up in my garage, before embarking upon the significant expense of acquiring a sim-racing rig. The idea does hold a certain appeal though......
Brian
First thing, there is a lot more depth to this idea than I originally thought.
Sim racing is on a different level altogether from console gaming with a Playstation or Xbox. Clamping a budget steering wheel onto a desk and having fun crashing into the other cars or armco barriers with an off-the-shelf car racing game is not what I had in mind when I set out on this quest. I wanted a more realistic driving simulation experience more in keeping with my personal experience in motorsport, and without spending a fortune.
I have a very good contact through Knockhill's Rory Butcher, current BTCC driver, and my former track driving tutor. In the current motorsport lockdown, Rory is using a home based PC system, with a Thrustmaster T300 steering wheel, pedals, seat rig, and VR headset, to keep his hand-in during the track driving drought. Using Rory's kit as a benchmark I then consulted the Demon Tweeks website where there is a very good article in how to get started with a home sim-racing set-up.
This is when my eyes were opened as to the true nature, and costs, of what is involved in acquiring a basic starter sim racing kit for home use. For example, Demon Tweeks offer a complete rig including Sparco seat, mid-range detachable FFB alcantara steering wheel, and resistance adjustable pedals for around £1300. To that princely sum you have to add a gaming PC and monitor to complete the basic set-up. All this before you even get yourself started on which racing game you wish to apply yourself to. A rough tally of the cost of the component parts leaves very little change out of £2000 at the very least expensive estimate.
You may have already read in the current edition of Porsche Post that PCGB is in the process of launching a sim-racing championship for members based on the GT3 Carrera Cup cars. This uses the digital iRacing subscription platform as the basis for the intended club championship. I'm sure this new venture will create much interest and further information is available by visiting porscheclubgb.com/motorsport/sim-racing. Whether or not I am prepared to spend this amount of money on a racing sim is currently under careful, and protracted consideration. More on that later.
On the one hand, sim-racing is a cheaper option than track driving using your own car. When you add up the cost of entry, insurance, fuel, wear and tear on tyres and brakes, travel expenses, and hotel accommodation, not to mention possibility of mechanical or bodywork damage to the car in question, sim-racing sounds quite good value. All this real track driving "fun" is time limited and confined to a one day experience come rain or shine. You do have the social aspect as a positive though.
Sim-racing allows you unlimited time practicing to your heart's content, without any of the negative attributes of using your own car. You can also "drive' on any race track you like, at no extra cost, and for as many laps as you like, free from the financial costs or pride humiliations resulting from the inevitable excursions into the armco or tyre wall. Current sim-racing programme developments are becoming extremely sophisticated, with a myriad of chassis, tyre and suspension adjustments to satisfy the most knowledgable and experienced driver. I could see this whole thing becoming a serious industry in its own right especially under the current global lockdown crises.
My final thoughts on the topic is, that I shall wait until I have taken delivery of my new Macan Turbo, safely tucked up in my garage, before embarking upon the significant expense of acquiring a sim-racing rig. The idea does hold a certain appeal though......
Brian
Brian_Innes said:An update on my sim racing thoughts......
First thing, there is a lot more depth to this idea than I originally thought.
Sim racing is on a different level altogether from console gaming with a Playstation or Xbox. Clamping a budget steering wheel onto a desk and having fun crashing into the other cars or armco barriers with an off-the-shelf car racing game is not what I had in mind when I set out on this quest. I wanted a more realistic driving simulation experience more in keeping with my personal experience in motorsport, and without spending a fortune.
I have a very good contact through Knockhill's Rory Butcher, current BTCC driver, and my former track driving tutor. In the current motorsport lockdown, Rory is using a home based PC system, with a Thrustmaster T300 steering wheel, pedals, seat rig, and VR headset, to keep his hand-in during the track driving drought. Using Rory's kit as a benchmark I then consulted the Demon Tweeks website where there is a very good article in how to get started with a home sim-racing set-up.
This is when my eyes were opened as to the true nature, and costs, of what is involved in acquiring a basic starter sim racing kit for home use. For example, Demon Tweeks offer a complete rig including Sparco seat, mid-range detachable FFB alcantara steering wheel, and resistance adjustable pedals for around £1300. To that princely sum you have to add a gaming PC and monitor to complete the basic set-up. All this before you even get yourself started on which racing game you wish to apply yourself to. A rough tally of the cost of the component parts leaves very little change out of £2000 at the very least expensive estimate.
You may have already read in the current edition of Porsche Post that PCGB is in the process of launching a sim-racing championship for members based on the GT3 Carrera Cup cars. This uses the digital iRacing subscription platform as the basis for the intended club championship. I'm sure this new venture will create much interest and further information is available by visiting porscheclubgb.com/motorsport/sim-racing. Whether or not I am prepared to spend this amount of money on a racing sim is currently under careful, and protracted consideration. More on that later.
On the one hand, sim-racing is a cheaper option than track driving using your own car. When you add up the cost of entry, insurance, fuel, wear and tear on tyres and brakes, travel expenses, and hotel accommodation, not to mention possibility of mechanical or bodywork damage to the car in question, sim-racing sounds quite good value. All this real track driving "fun" is time limited and confined to a one day experience come rain or shine. You do have the social aspect as a positive though.
Sim-racing allows you unlimited time practicing to your heart's content, without any of the negative attributes of using your own car. You can also "drive' on any race track you like, at no extra cost, and for as many laps as you like, free from the financial costs or pride humiliations resulting from the inevitable excursions into the armco or tyre wall. Current sim-racing programme developments are becoming extremely sophisticated, with a myriad of chassis, tyre and suspension adjustments to satisfy the most knowledgable and experienced driver. I could see this whole thing becoming a serious industry in its own right especially under the current global lockdown crises.
My final thoughts on the topic is, that I shall wait until I have taken delivery of my new Macan Turbo, safely tucked up in my garage, before embarking upon the significant expense of acquiring a sim-racing rig. The idea does hold a certain appeal though......
Brian
I've been gaming since the Texas Instruments Ti99 (that was a very long time ago). Truthfully, you don't need all that gear to have a lot of fun. Even F1 drivers don't have that sort of rig. Don't for one minute think it's going to be anything the the visceral experience of flinging a Porsche around Knock Hill. But it's still fun.
Buy all that gear and you'll also look like a wealthy nob, and you'll never be good enough to justify the outlay. I upgraded to a Gibson Les Paul some years ago. I'm still only a passable blues player
Pm me and I'll happily give you an idea of what sort of PC spec you will need.
Brian_Innes
Member
Thanks DWaldie. Will do. I'm definitely not a wealthy nob!
On the topic of new Porsche deliveries, today I received an email from my friends in Germany. They had been reading in the press that although the Porsche factories had recently reopened, production was still at a standstill in both Stuttgart and Leipzig. The problem is the component supply chains from the far east. Porsche's renowned just-in-time component supply system does not work well with breaks in supply. This experience must surely focus the minds of the suits in charge as to the future resourcing of these foreign supplied items from within Germany, or at the very least, from within the EU. I dare say this topic will also be crossing the minds of other manufacturing industries in the west.
I am still awaiting news from OPC Chester on the revised delivery date. I fear this may end up being a very long wait......
Brian
On the topic of new Porsche deliveries, today I received an email from my friends in Germany. They had been reading in the press that although the Porsche factories had recently reopened, production was still at a standstill in both Stuttgart and Leipzig. The problem is the component supply chains from the far east. Porsche's renowned just-in-time component supply system does not work well with breaks in supply. This experience must surely focus the minds of the suits in charge as to the future resourcing of these foreign supplied items from within Germany, or at the very least, from within the EU. I dare say this topic will also be crossing the minds of other manufacturing industries in the west.
I am still awaiting news from OPC Chester on the revised delivery date. I fear this may end up being a very long wait......
Brian
I think that's a problem all manufacturers operating just-in-time systems are going to face Brian, and unfortunately I don't think that there's any way round it at the moment. Until there's a free flow of components I reckon all manufacturing is going to be a bit stop-start, mass production in particular. Maybe they'll need to revert to old fashioned methods for a while, stocking parts and then producing in batches?
Hope you get a successful outcome sooner rather than later. All very frustrating for you I'm sure.
Jeff
Hope you get a successful outcome sooner rather than later. All very frustrating for you I'm sure.
Jeff
Brian_Innes
Member
Still locked-down up here. Very, very, frustrating.......
While checking under the front hood, and removing the plastic shield covering the battery etc, I've noticed a long yellow hooked device clipped to the underside of the cover. Photo shown below.
Does anyone know what this device is used for?
Brian
While checking under the front hood, and removing the plastic shield covering the battery etc, I've noticed a long yellow hooked device clipped to the underside of the cover. Photo shown below.
Does anyone know what this device is used for?
Brian
Brian_Innes
Member
Thanks Andrew.
I clocked this hook device on my previous 718 but never got around to finding out what it was for.
Now I know.
Brian
I clocked this hook device on my previous 718 but never got around to finding out what it was for.
Now I know.
Brian
Brian,Brian_Innes said:
You never checked your battery or topped it up with distilled water?
Ralph
Brian_Innes
Member
When removing the plastic cover under the front hood for cleaning and inspections, I've always propped it up against the garage wall.
For that reason, I've never used the yellow prop.
Brian
For that reason, I've never used the yellow prop.
Brian
Brian_Innes
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Having just heard Scotland's "Heid Yin" Nicola, and UK PM Boris setting out their "road maps' for the lockdown, it's clear we up here in Scotland are on a different trajectory from those living in England regarding the freedom to drive to beauty spots for exercise, or simply for the purposes of having fun. Boris was a bit vague on the driving to scenic spots, but to my interpretation he was not so emphatic as Nicola was on that topic.
Fun, ah yes, I remember that.......
With an abundance of both empty roads and beauty spots in my Highland locality, this is not good news. The strict lockdown rules are persisting in Scotland.
With my 718 CGTS currently grounded, I was looking forward to the possibility of taking the Abarth for a day trip into the hills on my own for a welcome change of scene. Sadly, this is clearly not to be for the foreseeable future. That is the unfortunate reality facing me, and many others in a similar position.
The biggest drawback for me in all of this is the wasting of a precious year of driving activities at a time when I already have an uncertain future regarding active participation doing the things I enjoy. Hopefully, by the time my new car arrives the lockdown restrictions will have relaxed in Scotland, thereby allowing me the opportunity to enjoy this wonderful environment as I am so accustomed to doing.
Brian
Fun, ah yes, I remember that.......
With an abundance of both empty roads and beauty spots in my Highland locality, this is not good news. The strict lockdown rules are persisting in Scotland.
With my 718 CGTS currently grounded, I was looking forward to the possibility of taking the Abarth for a day trip into the hills on my own for a welcome change of scene. Sadly, this is clearly not to be for the foreseeable future. That is the unfortunate reality facing me, and many others in a similar position.
The biggest drawback for me in all of this is the wasting of a precious year of driving activities at a time when I already have an uncertain future regarding active participation doing the things I enjoy. Hopefully, by the time my new car arrives the lockdown restrictions will have relaxed in Scotland, thereby allowing me the opportunity to enjoy this wonderful environment as I am so accustomed to doing.
Brian
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