New 951 owner - wheels question.

Guest · Jun 2, 2007

Hi there, new owner with a Turbo S here. My car currently has some 17" Turbo style wheels on it, and I'm returning the car to its original 16" forged D90s. The aftermarket wheel details are:

2x7.5x17 and 2x 9.0x17 Mille Miglia Cup 3s fitted with 215/45/17 and 255/40/17 Federal tyres respectively, which are half worn. They cost £900 new in 2002, and remain in excellent condition with no kerbing. Picture: http://www.mypicshare.com/exegwzwopic.html

What I'd like to know is how much I should put as a reserve or a market value if I put them on ebay or the like.

I'd also be interested to know how much owners have spent getting their cars fuel and brake lines replaced, as my car is currently in Porscheshop for this job amongst others before I go to Le Mans - I've been told it could be as little as £200, or up to £500. I'm not really sure what the difference is, but I'm told it's to do with flexible fuel hoses. Can anyone enlighten me some more?

Thanks

Chris.

Diver944 · Jun 2, 2007

Welcome to the forum Chris.

As they are replica wheels fitted with half worn budget tyres I wouldn't be too upset if they went for around the £3-400 pound mark.

Genuine fuel and brake lines are normaly in the region of £1000 to have fitted as there is a lot of labour to lower the rear suspesion. Aftermarket flexi lines will be a lot less as you can bend them round the suspension but the jury is out whether they will have the 15-20 year lifespan of the originals (its one of our frequent topics for debate [

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Guest · Jun 2, 2007

"Genuine fuel and brake lines are normaly in the region of £1000"

Jaysus!! Hope they don't fit those!

Thanks for your reply. I guesstimated £500, so fair enough.

jez_anderson · Jun 2, 2007

I have had both done over a couple of visits to the local specialist. The brake lines were replaced at the MOT cost me arround £300. I have had several attempts at the fuel lines. All with flexible rubber hoses which after a few draives have leaked!!! Even the specialist had 2 goes at stopping them leaking. In the end he replaced the pressurised one with a proper solid hose (at his cost!! fed up of seeing me I think) . So I am usure how much this would cost but I would bank on about the same £300+. The flexible ones cost me around £150 mark but weren't successful for long.

Hilux · Jun 2, 2007

The flexible ones cost me around £150 mark but weren't successful for long.

Why????

Decent ones with quality unions shouldnt be an issue......................

Rebuilt two cars with them and both had high pressure fuel pumps with no issues

mik_ok · Jun 3, 2007

Glad you found the place Chris. [

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These gents will look after you......

I have no idea why I still pop on here ~ I think the current steeds are just too new and reliable which in a bizarre way is a little [:'(]

Now guys - can you help Chris to take some more pics of his car? [8|]

Guest · Jun 3, 2007

Just so you'll stop hounding me Mik!

http://www.mypicshare.com/prhdgfvapic.html

http://www.mypicshare.com/bjolvatppic.html

But those really are all I have at the moment

Thanks for your replies guys. Would imagine PS have done enough fuel and brake lines to know which they prefer, and hopefully which ones don't leak! I'll give them a ring Monday and see which solution they're going for and alert my bank manager if need be

If anyone wants the wheels, do drop me a line

Rgds

Chris.

Guest · Jun 3, 2007

Oh and a quick question - can you tell me the ET of the wheels from the fact that they're fitted to a 944, or is there a place where the info will be stamped, because the details aren't on the invoice for them. And is there any more info about the dimensions a potential buyer will want to know?

Ta again.

Diver944 · Jun 3, 2007

The Milia Miglia replicas should have the ET offset stamped round the back on the inside of one of the spokes. If they are the same ones that are currently being sold by Design911.co .uk then they will be 7.5 ET52 front and 9 ET47 rear

sawood12 · Jun 3, 2007

Chris, the forged D90's were fitted to the Silver Rose cars. The 'normal' D90's fitted to the Turbo S cars were cast. The forged ones are V expensive to buy if you can find them.

Regarding fuel lines, even though I didn't use them on this occasion as I got my fuel lines replaced when my suspension was being refreshed, the specialist I normally use can fit the OEM fuel lines without dropping the gearbox and axel saving alot of labour. The original OEM lines are about £300. You should allow about 10 Mh to drop the gearbox and axel if Porscheshop go down that route.

Riverside · Jun 3, 2007

ORIGINAL: sawood12

Chris, the forged D90's were fitted to the Silver Rose cars. The 'normal' D90's fitted to the Turbo S cars were cast. The forged ones are V expensive to buy if you can find them.

The Forged 'Clubsport' rims were an option on '87 & '88 220 cars & standard on the '88 & '89 250 turbos, 7x16 ET 65 front, 9x16 ET 60 rear, the '90-on turbos had 7.5" & 9" D90's.

I have a spare set of Clubsports with barely legal tyres, they are rare but there's little demand so they aren't worth all that much. PM me if you haven't already found a set & we might be able to do a swap or something.

Guest · Jun 3, 2007

Thanks for the offers of wheels chaps - but I believe I already have the Clubsport or forged D90s - I thought the way to tell was to look for the mark above each er, hole, like this? http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/images/179479-5.jpg

Riverside · Jun 3, 2007

Clubsport rim: http://www.wheelenhancement.com/index.php?t=WheelDetail&id=28

Design 90 (D90) rim: http://www.wheelenhancement.com/index.php?t=WheelDetail&id=27

Clubsport rims are lighter and don't have a lip, the spokes meet the outer edge of the wheel. Also the D90 spoke has noticeable 'depth' compared to the Clubsports'.

hth.

333pg333 · Jun 4, 2007

Can I ask a stupid question? Why do you want to go back to a 16" wheel? The forged ones actually do look quite nice. Mine came with a set and I sold them to my mechanic who had them completely repaired and anodized. They look great now but I wouldn't want to go back to a 16" wheel if you paid me. I know that different people have different desires but there are so many good tyres out there in the larger sizes now that offer better grip I would have thought...probably wrong...maybe it's just a wheel size issue I have.

Guest · Jun 4, 2007

Well, the rest of my car is standard, and I personally don't like the above 17" wheels, plus it doesn't seem to handle or ride as well as a Turbo S I tried on the 16" Clubsport rims. With a full geo and returned to that standard size, hopefully it will be fine.

Thanks Riverside - I definitely have the Clubsport wheels.

Guest · Jun 5, 2007

Well, had a £1.5k quote today for belts, fuel and brake lines, 6k service, new window motor, wheel swop with full alignment. Previously it was £1k, without the service and the d/s e/w motor (£100 I believe) and the fact that they are saying that it's as short as long to fit the OE pipes for both brake and fuel lines as by the time the flexi pipes are cut to length, and routed, with the brake lines, you may as well drop the rear suspension and use the cut to length OE pipes. TBH this sounded okay over the phone, (comments welcome) and I knew it was going to be a steep bill as I bought the car knowing it needed this work.

And a virtual pound to Scott, as they said it would be 10 hours labour to do fuel lines and brake lines via the above method.

Chris.

Diver944 · Jun 5, 2007

Sounds reasonable for all of that and it includes genuine pipes which should guarantee no pipeage worries for the next 15 years or so [

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TK2015 · Jun 7, 2007

ORIGINAL: sawood12

I have a spare set of Clubsports with barely legal tyres, they are rare but there's little demand so they aren't worth all that much. PM me if you haven't already found a set & we might be able to do a swap or something.

I'm looking for an original set of wheels for my '89 Turbo and would be really interested if you still have yours for sale/swap. Please drop me a line: "944 at pointycat dot com"

Thanks, Tom

Riverside · Jun 7, 2007

Neil Haughey · Jun 8, 2007

ORIGINAL: 333pg333

Can I ask a stupid question? Why do you want to go back to a 16" wheel? The forged ones actually do look quite nice. Mine came with a set and I sold them to my mechanic who had them completely repaired and anodized. They look great now but I wouldn't want to go back to a 16" wheel if you paid me. I know that different people have different desires but there are so many good tyres out there in the larger sizes now that offer better grip I would have thought...probably wrong...maybe it's just a wheel size issue I have.

I agree in so far that 17" performance tyres are now often as cheap or cheaper then the equivalent 16" tyres. As an example I am considering changing to 17" on my daily driver Saab 9-5 because the 225x45-17 size (as fitted to aero's) is so common now that high end tyres in that size cost the same as the 215x55-16 stock size. Finding 245 wide tyres for the 944 is becoming more difficult. My rear Hankook RS-2's in the 245x45-16 size cost me 150 quid each whereas I can get 225x45-17 in that pattern for 85 quid. If I had 17" for the Porsche I would almost certainly fit 245's on the back since that size seems pretty common now on certain German cars.

As for ride quality one can always adjust tyre pressures and choose the tyre carefully. I hated contisportcontacts when I had them in the 16" size on my S2 because the side wall is to soft. However something like the new contisportcontact3 on a 17" or 18" rim would probably have a nice smooth ride.