New car and a long list to start on!

[DivineE]

Finally with so many 944 turbo's getting to the point of uneconomical to repair I've caved into temptation and committed myself to save one.

If anyone has: (updated to new list)

Aircon heater control unit
+more to be added as I think of things

I'm looking for the best parts possible as I intend to build a true immaculate example. No matter how long it takes.

Regards,

Ben (finally happy to be home again)

 

[Diver944]

ORIGINAL: DivineE


she needs a complete rear wing (not looking forward to finding out the cost on that!), a passenger side sill,

Two years ago Exeter OPC quoted a rear quarter for £600 and a sill for £120. If thats the only bodywork that needs attention then you could well have got off lightly [] Have you got it home yet, any pics or further details you want to share?

Welcome back to the fold []

 

[DivineE]

Thank you. It really does feel good to be back in a 944!

As for the costs wow yes that really is all I need. Although I might buy the thin panel above the rear bumper where the porsche sticker sits because the rust on the wing has started to eat into that. I've no idea why but the rest of the bodywork is as solid as anything it just has one corner totally rusted away! My guess would be either something about the way it was parked or water sitting inside the wing for a long period. It looks too straight and well bonded to be from an accident.

I got the car home late last night and besides the bits mentioned its actually a bit of a gem. 3 owners from new, a good history with lots of stamps, everything works except the horn and heater speeds 1-3 (even the rear wiper works), it has a toad alarm with remote locking which is nice and the engine is probably the best I've had of all three. My first turbo had a scored bore, the second sounded tappety all the time. This is smooth and quiet as new :-D I'm extatic because it was a real risk when I bought it with a misfire.. turns out it was just running out of fuel (as it did 30seconds later!)

It is my mission now to restore this into one of the best examples in the country AND get it to 350bhp with a total budget of no more than 10k. Its going to be hard as getting the bodywork done and a full respray will probably absorb a big chunk before I even get to the mechanical bits and interior. I'll give it my best shot though[] man am I one happy bunny[]

 

[DivineE]

Here is a pic but I cant re-size it on my pc to use it as an avatar[]

 

[Mike_Pollock]

Looking good - hope to see it soon
Mike

 

[Mike_Pollock]

Hi Ben
Will this work as an avatar?
http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy158/A9XXC/DevineAv.jpg

 

[DivineE]

Thank you for trying but it still says exceeds dimentions[&:]

 

[Pastry]

good man! /respect and GL with the restoration.

think this size is small enough;

 

[DivineE]

Fixed thanks all.

 

[ChasR]

Looks great in that shot and I am sure that it will be quite a bit of fun .

 

[MarkK]

86 teledials are one of my favourite 944 wheels,best of luck with your new project!

 

[Frenchy]

Nice One Ben, Was this the car we spoke about ? a couple of brand new rear wings were recently on e-bay went for £200 ish each afaik,
ASet of Turbo Teledials finishing on e=bay in an hour or so, one damaged but could be repaired.
Good luck with the project.

 

[DavidL]

Ben
What are you planning to get to 350? Most of the stage 2 kits seem to suggest 300-320 and after that it gets much harder unless you know different!!
I'd be interested to know what mods you are going to use so I can crib the idea.

Thanks

 

[Suffolk944]

Nice car Ben, and another black one for the darkside gang ! []

I would say that for 350hp must be looking at a different turbo along with all the other usual mods, certainly as the car in question a 220 model with the smaller turbo. Dont think even a later 250 car has any chance of 350 with the standard blower in place.

 

[AndrewS]

Hi All,

Congratulations to Ben on getting another Turbo!

350bhp is possible on both the 220/250 models without too much modification. The Level 3 solution we do is just one example; above suggestions are correct in that a different turbocharger is required to achieve 350bhp.

To achieve that power, the following parts are probably required:

* Revised Turbocharger
* Dual Port Wastegate
* Bigger Injectors
* Improved Bypass Valve (such as 993 Turbo version or DV30)
* Manual or Electronic Boost Control
* Revised DME EPROM
* 3.0 bar Fuel Pressure Regulator

Some very specific modifications are required to the front parts of the exhaust system to enable a bigger compressor / turbine combination to work effectively.

Regards,
Andrew

 

[333pg333]

Good stuff Ben. I think I could see this coming. []

Coincidentally yours looks identical to the Black '86 w phonies that I'm about to go to work on. Race you to 350hp. [] Even down to the less than desired black and cream dash and cream interior.
Actually it depends on what turbo I go with, but for a reference, my mechanic hit 275 at the wheels with a Vitesse stage 3 kit
at 1 bar on a dyno known locally as the 'Heartbreaker'! To hit 350hp you'll need to go over 1 bar but with decent fuel and tune that should be ok, yes?
Maybe get a quote from Baz to see how much to do one of his 3L conversions? That looked like a pretty cheap alternative and very driveable.

 

[DivineE]

Thanks all nice to see so many familiar names, I dont feel like I know so many people on this forum as on Titanic so its nice to hear from you all. Latest news is the car is at Hartech ready to get sorted for an mot and getting a full service with belts, etc. I've had the car up on ramps and news looks very good except that patch of rust is DEEP I've sourced through James Eaton (nice chap) a new wing, sill and rear panel for a few hundred pounds which is excellent. Next step it to get the current panels cut out and any rust removed before the new panels can go on and Hartech can get to work making sure the mechanical bits are sound.


As for the tuning, I think 290hp is about the most you can get from the standard KKK 26/6 on the 220 car. K26/8 from the 250 model car reaches a max of about 320hp so thats where that figure comes from for all the low level packages.

I'm not totally decided on the list yet but the pretty certain bits are GT30 ball bearing turbo with .84 hotside, tial 44mm wastegate, custom exhaust and downpipe, 75lb/hr (ish) injectors, 3.0 bar fuel pressure regulator and an Apexi boost controller.

The bits I'm not sure about are which chip. The Vitesse maf and piggyback is what I really want but the current exchange rate is making it unreasonable. I 'may' have a go at using a stand alone management but most likely scenario at the moment is just getting all the bits on and taking it to Wayne for the day to get it custom mapped on standard ECU. I'm going to build everything mechanically towards 400hp, get it set up at the maximum boost level I can achieve safe air fuel mixture. Then leave it there and be happy no matter what hp it happens to be producing. The idea being it should be somewhere over 350hp[]

 

[MarkK]

I am a big fan of the Fabspeed four inch exhaust for what you are thinking of,projects are so much fun,then the enjoyment of using them afterwards is good aswell,but must say i love it as a plan comes together,beats buying a standard new car anyday,its the creation of something unique and personal-i love that.

 

[sawood12]

Nice to see your gamble paid off - well done.

If you think cost of Vitesse kit is pricy then standalone will be at least three times that once you get it installed, all other sensors hooked up and the thing properly tuned. Vitesse has his level three kit dyno'd on an otherwise stock engine at 350 rwbhp at 15psi boost pressure - so a truly bolt on kit that works out of the box, can be optimised and returns a good power level at a boost level that the engine can easily stand without compromising longevity and reliability. In reality it is a bargain.

As an alternative approach could I consider another dare I say more sophisticated one? Instead of going down the more glamourous route of engine mods, what about ensuring the engine you've got is running perfectly sweet (you might be surprised at how good a stock engine in fine fettle will run) and spending your hard earned wonga on chassis mods - dare I suggest KW suspension and a brake upgrade - maybe Boxster S? I think you'll find that a well sorted chassis will result in a car that is far more enjoyable to drive as well as quicker. 320bhp on tired stock suspension and brakes is maybe not the best way to maximise the potential from the car.

At least with chassis mods you know how much you're going to spend so can budget. With engine mods all you are doing is highlighting the next weakest link in the chain and overstressing other 20yr old tired bits of original engine causing you to continue spending cash forever and a day!

 

[DivineE]

ORIGINAL: sawood12

As an alternative approach could I consider another dare I say more sophisticated one? Instead of going down the more glamourous route of engine mods, what about ensuring the engine you've got is running perfectly sweet (you might be surprised at how good a stock engine in fine fettle will run) and spending your hard earned wonga on chassis mods - dare I suggest KW suspension and a brake upgrade - maybe Boxster S? I think you'll find that a well sorted chassis will result in a car that is far more enjoyable to drive as well as quicker. 320bhp on tired stock suspension and brakes is maybe not the best way to maximise the potential from the car.

At least with chassis mods you know how much you're going to spend so can budget. With engine mods all you are doing is highlighting the next weakest link in the chain and overstressing other 20yr old tired bits of original engine causing you to continue spending cash forever and a day!

Scott don't worry I have my priorities right this time. Althought the temptation of a stripped out racer with a MAHUGE turbo is strong draw. I'm determined to ensure this car comes out as a solid ballance in all senses. With that in mind I will be ensuring everything is running sweetly before I do any modifying and I will be upgrading brakes and suspension to complete the package.

Mark I can't agree more with making a car your own. I love the look of the original 944T on teledials. I think the outside strikes the perfect ballance between looking classic and yet purposeful, whilst the inside strikes the perfect ballance between sports car and comfortable GT. I can think of no modern car I would prefer to be driving. Also thankyou for your exhaust recommendation, nothing is more important to me than looking at examples that have proven to be successful and your car is one of 4 or 5 2.5ltr cars I am most interensted in.