Gary
I'd of thought the TT owners wouldn't even have noticed the M/RS brigade dissapearing in your rear view mirror, the TT is so much faster point to point or in a straight line.
Those of us in cooking Porsches its a bit different - again the defense of the enthusiast is the way it feels to drive. What we've got to face up to is to sell enough cars for the 911 to be profitable there is another, larger, group who care about the cars image and a lot of that has to do with the Pub room figures argument. Whether we agree or not.
In that case the appeal of the cooking Porsche is that it is a mini supercar that you can run affordably day to day, sitting on its own between normal lesser cars and the real exotics/supercar manufacturers like Ferrari etc. The aspiration is that even a cooking 91 as a fair slice of the Supercar killing GT3 or Turbo formula
If run of the mill saloons with an upgrade engine are as fast..... kinda blows the image.
We can sit here and be smug and say purity of handling but if the next gen M3 happens to be as fast around the Nurburgring as a C2, that'll start to grate for most of us and harm thsoe resale figures.
Last Gen M3 was 8m15secs identical to a 2nd gen Boxster S which has the same 0 -100 time. the next gen M3 is alleged to be "much quicker" well your only 10 secs from C2 slaying territory and a few more your getting onto C2S space....
One of these new super saloons will be faster round the ring than a stock C2 and might even get close on a C2S.
There is also the other half effect. I was closing on on a 2nd hand 993 until the wife found out that for similar money the Boxster S was as quick. Guess what car I was allowed to buy in the end.
Its taken a further 5 years to get the 911 and even then there were questions around the RS4 because she liked the looks and it was nearly as fast.
In the end this worked in my favour because she insisted we had the x51 to make sure it was faster than a family saloon. She stillw asn't comfortable with the idea that an M5 or M6 would be every bit as fast on a normal road (A road or Motorway) See the pattern!
I agree with the earlier comemnts that large horsepower figures are often misleading but my point is whatever the power figures are the Facelifted 997 is going to have to be much quicker through the gears and round the ring to keep that cache and maitain its premium over the M/RS/AMG mob with a lot of its buyers.
I'd of thought the TT owners wouldn't even have noticed the M/RS brigade dissapearing in your rear view mirror, the TT is so much faster point to point or in a straight line.
Those of us in cooking Porsches its a bit different - again the defense of the enthusiast is the way it feels to drive. What we've got to face up to is to sell enough cars for the 911 to be profitable there is another, larger, group who care about the cars image and a lot of that has to do with the Pub room figures argument. Whether we agree or not.
In that case the appeal of the cooking Porsche is that it is a mini supercar that you can run affordably day to day, sitting on its own between normal lesser cars and the real exotics/supercar manufacturers like Ferrari etc. The aspiration is that even a cooking 91 as a fair slice of the Supercar killing GT3 or Turbo formula
If run of the mill saloons with an upgrade engine are as fast..... kinda blows the image.
We can sit here and be smug and say purity of handling but if the next gen M3 happens to be as fast around the Nurburgring as a C2, that'll start to grate for most of us and harm thsoe resale figures.
Last Gen M3 was 8m15secs identical to a 2nd gen Boxster S which has the same 0 -100 time. the next gen M3 is alleged to be "much quicker" well your only 10 secs from C2 slaying territory and a few more your getting onto C2S space....
One of these new super saloons will be faster round the ring than a stock C2 and might even get close on a C2S.
There is also the other half effect. I was closing on on a 2nd hand 993 until the wife found out that for similar money the Boxster S was as quick. Guess what car I was allowed to buy in the end.
Its taken a further 5 years to get the 911 and even then there were questions around the RS4 because she liked the looks and it was nearly as fast.
In the end this worked in my favour because she insisted we had the x51 to make sure it was faster than a family saloon. She stillw asn't comfortable with the idea that an M5 or M6 would be every bit as fast on a normal road (A road or Motorway) See the pattern!
I agree with the earlier comemnts that large horsepower figures are often misleading but my point is whatever the power figures are the Facelifted 997 is going to have to be much quicker through the gears and round the ring to keep that cache and maitain its premium over the M/RS/AMG mob with a lot of its buyers.
] as was my point to Scott.[
