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New owner, new 997.2 PDK

Senna

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Hi Guys, Thought I'd introduce myself after reading your many helpful posts for a few weeks. A little history first! I've had a few quick cars over the years most notable of which was my 540bhp RS500 Cosworth which I owned in the late 1980's. Over the last 10 years or so I've pretty much stuck with one brand, Audi, mainly because they are made well and are pretty bullet proof in terms of reliability.

We use a Q7 bought last year as our family car (I have 3 kids so the space is very welcome). I don't get to drive that much as it's pretty much my wife's pride and joy. Over the last 15 years or so we've only ever bought new and sold/part exchanged the cars just before the warranty ends. My last half decent drive was a 225 TT which I had from new in 2004 to 2007 and this was P/X'd for an A4 cabriolet (looked nice but drove like plank hence almost bored me to death). The A4 cab was about to hit its third year next month so I started looking around for a more exciting replacement.

Back in the late 70's, as a 19 year old I was lucky enough to own both a Lotus Elan Sprint and two years later a Lotus Europa special (0-60 around 6.5 seconds ish, quick cars for their day). I remember getting out of bed at 2am in the morning just to go for a blast on clear roads. Or getting up really early on a Sunday morning and going for yet another blast. Since those elusive days nothing has really made me do that and I wanted to recapture some of the excitement I've missed since. Because we have two other cars, a two seater was not out of the question. However, my first port of call was "˜sensible' Audi again. I thought long and hard about the new upcoming S5 convertible with the new supercharged 3.0 engine due out later this year. In some respects however, I thought this was more of a sideways step rather than a firm step upwards.

Next up I thought about a new M3. No offence to M3 owners but try as I did I couldn't visualize myself doing doughnuts in a McDonalds car park so that was out of the question. Couple of friends of mine have Boxsters. Lovely car but not for a guy in his 50's perhaps. Love the Cayman, new one looks to be a fantastic car but again I thought it was perhaps a younger mans car. Ok, so onwards and upwards. R8? Again very neat car, I've driven an S tronic version around silverstone for a few laps and driven one on the road for almost an hour. Couldn't fault it (which strangely was a fault in my book). There's been a lot of talk that the R8 is a 911 competitor. I really don't agree with that. I see the R8 as a modern day Honda NSX. Anyone can drive one quickly without it biting you in the rear. Polished and almost flawless from conception to design and whilst the car had character, it just didn't have the soul of a 911. Having had several test drives of the latest 911's (excluding the Turbo, GT3 etc) and spent many hours on research, I found the Carrera 2 PDK to be my 911 of choice. No disrespect to C4 or Cab owners but I just thought the overall lightness of the C2 made it a more nimble and a purer driving experience than its heavier brothers. So here I sit, the proud owner of a Meteor Grey 997.2 with PDK, black leather interior, with all the goodies including the new 19" Sport design wheels, sports seats, sat nav etc etc. With just 663 miles on the odometer and three weeks of driving under my belt I am absolutely loving every moment of ownership.

Cheers
Senna
 
Welcome to the club forum and Porsche ownership senna.
Some nice comparisons and metal you've been driving previously.

I read an article of the Cayman v 997 in a magazine this week, same results [:D]

garyw

PS good colour choice.. its the fastest [;)]
 
And a welcome from me too to the small but slowly growing number of Gen2 PDK owners on the forum! I have nearly 4k on mine now and, it's a bit of a cliche, but it does get better and better the more you familiar you become with the gearbox. Look forward to hearing more of your thoughts about the car in the future
Alan
PS It's the second fastest colour[;)]
 
Thanks Gary, thanks Alan.
It's been an interesting few weeks. Especially the driving part of course. The research part has been surprising though. On the various Porsche forums I've looked at over the weeks I have come across quite a few recent buyers of used 911's. Most of them happy but also read about quite a few used car disasters.

I find it strange that there are so many dealers sitting with new stock (most willing to do superb deals to hit their numbers) and still there are people going out there paying OTT prices for used cars when they could have bought new. In fact, as I understand it this has been happening all across the motor trade. A friend of mine who only sells used cars in the £5k-10k area says cars at auctions have all but dried up because the recession mentality is dictating used cars as the sensible way to go. That's absolutely crazy in my view especially once you start getting into the £15k range and upwards. Took my wifes Q7 for a service today to my Audi dealer the owner of which is a good friend and customer. He was telling me the same story. The demand for used cars is quite simply driving the used car market prices upward. With new car sales falling off a cliff, lack of sales will dictate scarcity in decent 2-3 year old cars in a few years from now so residuals should be even higher.

Also heard that Audi will be putting up their prices by 5% very soon due to the currency rates. Any news from Porsche re projected price increases?
 
I've not heard any rumours of Porsche price increases...
However I think we have all found most suppliers (mine all have) putting their costs up due to the Euro/sterling crisis[:(]

garyw
 
ORIGINAL: Senna

Having had several test drives of the latest 911's (excluding the Turbo, GT3 etc) and spent many hours on research, I found the Carrera 2 PDK to be my 911 of choice.

Cheers
Senna

Hi Senna, I choose the C2 over the C2S for the same reasons. I would be very intetrested to know if you get any squealing from the brakes. It would seem that this noise is only generated by C2 PDK cars. It only occurs under gentle braking a very low speed.

Derek
 
ORIGINAL: garyw

I've not heard any rumours of Porsche price increases...
However I think we have all found most suppliers (mine all have) putting their costs up due to the Euro/sterling crisis[:(]

garyw
Mine too Gary. My company designs and installs high end custom home theatres (private cinemas) and every one of our suppliers have put prices up anywhere from 20 to 40%.
 
ORIGINAL: dereksharpuk
Hi Senna, I choose the C2 over the C2S for the same reasons. I would be very interested to know if you get any squealing from the brakes. It would seem that this noise is only generated by C2 PDK cars. It only occurs under gentle braking a very low speed.

Derek
Hi Derek,
Strangely enough I did hear brief squealing from the brakes a couple times but it only happened when I was reversing. However this was literally on the first day of ownership only and nothing since. The car has been absolutely perfect in every way.

Here's a bit of info I've come across (from a gentleman who works at Porsche UK).

As many know, part of Porsche's marketing for the new 911 is the projection of Porsche's marketing team that this is their first ECO friendly 911. One of their prime targets in the UK was to get the C2 to go on or just under the Co2: 225 g/km road tax bracket which they just managed to achieve. Apparently this was not solely achieved by having 186cc lower capacity engine that the C2S. The doors (which I guess are the heaviest swappable body components) used in the new C2 are aluminium rather than steel. I cannot confirm if this as 100% true or correct, but it sort of makes sense IMO.

Just wondering if anyone else has heard about this?
 
Senna

Welcome to the dark side and the joys of 911 ownership

Do you have a spec and some pictures to post for your car?




 
Thanks. I need some time to do the spec list and pictures so will do that over the next couple days.




 
Looks like he's enjoying it far too much! I wouldn't encourage such expensive tastes in my kids![:D] Looks really nice with those wheels![8D]
 
ORIGINAL: tscaptain

Looks like he's enjoying it far too much! I wouldn't encourage such expensive tastes in my kids![:D] Looks really nice with those wheels![8D]

x 2, great looking rims those
 
ORIGINAL: Senna

ORIGINAL: dereksharpuk
Hi Senna, I choose the C2 over the C2S for the same reasons. I would be very interested to know if you get any squealing from the brakes. It would seem that this noise is only generated by C2 PDK cars. It only occurs under gentle braking a very low speed.

Derek
Hi Derek,
Strangely enough I did hear brief squealing from the brakes a couple times but it only happened when I was reversing. However this was literally on the first day of ownership only and nothing since. The car has been absolutely perfect in every way.

Here's a bit of info I've come across (from a gentleman who works at Porsche UK).

As many know, part of Porsche's marketing for the new 911 is the projection of Porsche's marketing team that this is their first ECO friendly 911. One of their prime targets in the UK was to get the C2 to go on or just under the Co2: 225 g/km road tax bracket which they just managed to achieve. Apparently this was not solely achieved by having 186cc lower capacity engine that the C2S. The doors (which I guess are the heaviest swappable body components) used in the new C2 are aluminium rather than steel. I cannot confirm if this as 100% true or correct, but it sort of makes sense IMO.

Just wondering if anyone else has heard about this?

Hi Erkan

The doors on my gen2 C2S are definitely steel - did a magnet test. However the bonnet has been aluminium since the first 997.

I assume that the gen2 C has steel doors as well. Nevertheless enjoy your new toy.

 
ORIGINAL: jonathanw


The doors on my gen2 C2S are definitely steel - did a magnet test. However the bonnet has been aluminium since the first 997.

I assume that the gen2 C has steel doors as well. Nevertheless enjoy your new toy.
Hi Jonathan,
The guy at Porsche UK said it was only the Gen2 C2, not C2S. Apparently replacing steel with aluminium doors on the C2 just tips it under the highest road tax bracket, hence 'greener' credentials. I'm going to have to hunt around for a magnet now. Will post back shortly to confirm either way.

Cheers
 
Jonathan,
Having spent the best part of an hour yesterday looking for a magnet, I decided to do the usual and offered my 11 year old a £20 bribe to find a magnet (on the condition it goes into her savings account of course). She literally put one on my desk in the space of 5 minutes [:D]

Anyway, popped outside to the drive and tried the magnet on every panel of the car.

And wonder of wonders, the Porsche guy knows his stuff! The doors on the 997.2 C2 are most definitely aluminium as is the bonnet which you mentioned.

One more thing, I remember my contact also said Porsche were doing this for UK spec cars only (due of course to the magic road tax figure of 225 g/km) and not cars destined elsewhere. As you've confirmed on this thread the Gen 2 C2S has steel doors. Wonder what the total weight differences are between these two???

While I was out there I checked out our Q7 too. Strangely the bonnet on this big monster is also aluminium (no wonder it only weighs 2350 KG lol).
 
I do believe the Turbo doors and bonnet have been Aluminium since its launch, so an easy add on for them to do...

garyw
 
Erkan

You would have though it would have made more sense to keep the doors on all the UK cars the same.

The onlly problem with aluminium panels is that they are more difficult to repair. My A5 has ali front wings and some dipstick drove into the side of my wing - looked like it was cut with a knife - fortunately the body shop did an excellent job of matching the colour on the new wing.

I have had dings repaired by dentremovers but suspect they cannot do ali panels.

Regards
 

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