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Oil change[s] for 987

ORIGINAL: thboxster

You say filters are supposed to be good for 3 years? This is usually the thing that needs changing, more so than the oil.Did you get this from a manufacturers statement or an independent survey or something?

It was from an article in an Engineering journal explaining that modern oils are good for a very long time now but filters aren't. Filter life has improved but not in line with the oil.

The 3 years wasn't a "good for time period" but more the maximum possible with todays technology and designs. I guess this is why manufacturers are keeping it safe and going for the 2 year max between oil & filter changes. [&o]
 
Can a person not be both?

I have spent my life in this industry and take oil discussions very seriously.

Whether I sell or not, my advice here is FREE, believe it or not you don't have to take it.

Cheers
Simon
 
ORIGINAL: oilman

Can a person not be both?

I have spent my life in this industry and take oil discussions very seriously.

Whether I sell or not, my advice here is FREE, believe it or not you don't have to take it.

Cheers
Simon

No reason why you can't be both Simon.

My car has a OEM oil change interval of 12K miles so the debate over whether or not a 24K interval is derived from the marketing department or the design team doesn't really effect me. What I am keen to promote for this forum is that the advice that is offered is kosher.

I simply can not believe that any, big name, car manufacturer would knowingly promote a service policy that would put any component of its products at risk of premature failure.

JCB..
 
ORIGINAL: oilman
Can a person not be both?

Always an interesting issue, JCB. It depends on the person concerned.

If we go to Dixons then we know the person is a salesman and s/he will recommend the product with the highest margin, which usually means the warranty not the widget!

However, I (effectively) sell my time making applications for various forms of intellectual property, but I also advise people on which form of legal protection they should be applying for. Is there a conflict of interest? Quite possibly, which is why we are organised as a profession, and learn to separate the advisory stage from the implementation stage.

And there is a whole spectrum in between, running via IFAs, IT people, builders and mechanics (in no particular order!). We can only decide where someone fits on the spectrum in the light of experience!
 
Hi

To change oil or not too ? This is the question that has dogged me since I started owning cars !

This is what I have learnt which may help:

1. New cars in need of running shoul not have their oil change before the recommended interval as this may slow down or worse make the running in of the engine less effective and lead to more oil consumption in the future. Many cars are deliberately filled with an oil that aids bedding in. Changing the oil (to super synth for example) before then hinders the process. I am not sure if Porsche do this however.

2. New oils are extremely good and tolerances of modern engines are better than before - Porsche's even better ! What I have noticed is that the better (more upmarket the engine) the longer the oil lasts (visually less dirty) ! I can conclude that the tolerances allow less contaminants from the combustion process into the oil. Hence the oil lasts longer as its is less diluted by pollutants. New VW's comes with a special oil that can last in excess of 20k , miles . The oils costs more than Mobil 1 though ! Manufacturers are working on engines with better tolerances and better oils to help reduce damage to the environment.

3. Driving habits have a definite effect on how long the oil will last. The more motorway, less stop start urban crawl, the longer the oil lasts. I have seen this from past experience. Also winter driving - especially cold starts use more fuel and hence more oil dilution.

So this is what I recommend:

Change the oil according to the manufacturers recomendation. However if you do a lot of urban start stop driving or cold starts then change the oil more frequently. I use is the visual check. I literally look at the colour of the oil. If it has reached the dark brown -to black stage - then I change it ! Interestingly enough this seemed to have always coincided with the manufactur's interval except when lots of start stop driving.

One other point: my dad had an old VW Polo Classic 1983 - which he used for daily urban commute. The oil was changed in line with manufacturers recomendation - nothing special. The car racked up over 150,000 miles and never needed a head job or anything else done to the engine (except water pump). The car is still running strong and engine clean. You do have to ask yourself if changing the oil on a Porsche before manufacturers intervals is necessary. I suspect that the Porsche engine will probably see a strip down before 100k miles regardless of whether you have changed oil more often. You might have sold it by then !
 

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