Ok.... now this will be a debate...

[jason]

ORIGINAL: clubsport

Do you really think you had Thomas over on this and he sold the car for way under it's value?....This car was available for sale for some time, I would expect him to have done his research on the car......this whole chasis plate thing really doesn't make sense to me at all,,even with all the prices flying around at the moment to insure a car for £100k above it's purchase price,,,,surely the temptation must be there to cash in????
I recall the 1988/9 930 Turbo SE were something like £130k new back then, the ones which come up for sale of late seem to be worth about £50k....to make one from scratch would cost a lot more £££, clearly the market decides the value?

If someone has actually bid 80k then I guess he did!

Take the money mate.

 

[Laurence Gibbs]

Lee I was'nt comparing just likening the situation. i.e. Ruf's with Porsche chassis plates are regarded still as Ruf's and still fetch good money because they are known to be not what the chassis plate says they are. Not exactly the same situation here but similar a 3.6 cs that's known to be something different and more potentially valuable. This does assume there is some proof of the cars production numbers etc. Like you say documentation is needed.

 

[DSCBoy]

As I said boys, I was expecting a lively and educated debate and I've got one!

As far as I am concerned, the car is without a shadow of a doubt proven to be a 3.8 RS C/S. And the docs prove this to a high degree. (Original chassis number of car is mentioned in sales docs, copy of original logbook showing build as a 3.8 RS C/S etc...). But it might be fun to track down to company who did the full refit as suggested. I am on the trail of the original chassis number and hence engine as I know both were fitted to the race car that took the identity.

I had agreed to purchase the car before the chassis number change came to light... as some of you might remember, I was then helpfully given a few months to think the deal over to make sure I was super super certain I wanted it whilst our favourite dealer pretended to look for a new wheel rim...

Regardless, I think the car has some serious provenance as is, there aren't many more interesting previous owners than Herr Schumacher in terms of noteriety and I love the car and it's story! So this was always going to be a hypothetical debate and they will be prising the keys out of my cold dead hand (unless I don't change those tyres and the keys are still in the ignition ;-) I was as interested in what everyone thoughts were on insurance agreed value as much as the value of the car itself.

Lawrence, the RUF analogy was an interesting one, not least because that is pretty much what Herr Schumacher was aiming at I think... he just chose to use a stupidly rare chassis as a start point!

Thanks again.

 

[carreraboy]

It must be at least a year now since you "agreed" to buy the car....it is worth a shed load more than you paid it that is given....how much is the question....I go back to the cost of recreation plus some RS/CS/3.8 Provenance with proof... so put 50% on what you paid....and then add some provenance with the proof...[]

 

[TISPKJ]

I have been giving this some more thought.
If the car is as we suspect a genuine 964 3.8 RSR, surely the factory or a real expert on the cars would be able to tell by looking at certain items, as an example I bet no matter how hard someone tried to make a replica you would never get say the underside of the rear wings the same as on the factory cars, and I bet lets say in the engine bay the RSR would have had the odd little bracket that was on the RSR and not on say an RS or C2, just looking at the way the shell is welded together would probably be a sign as well as I bet they were welded up more than a normal car but only in funny little areas, you all get the idea Im sure, what Im saying is that I bet the little man at the factory can tell you regardless of wrong bonnet doors and wings etc, just a case of knowing where to look I guess but maybe worth a trip to the factory Rick with one of your old mates []

 

[DSCBoy]

Since you are now an aircooled owner I guess your opinion is now worthy ;-)

The doors etc match the shell I believe... so I think a simple cross reference of the shell number with the build sheets should tell us all we need to know assuming the factory keep those records, but the expert I had it checked out by was convinced it was the real McCoy... (but he was French......)

Funny you should suggest a trip to the factory as I am currently trying to find the right man to look at it thru my contacts at Weissach and will keep you all posted.

 

[ChrisW]

That would give you a copper bottomed answer --- good luck !!

 

[Laurence Gibbs]

all factory records have both production number and chassis number on the print out. So if you have one but not the other you can find the missing one easily. Quote the production number to someone in the know and they will be able to tell you the rest. Or should !!!