OPC Warranty Criteria

[Terry]

Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere and I have missed it but I believe there are some important changes to the OPC Warranty criteria which I understand to be as follows:

Rev Range 1&2 No problem, warranty applied

Rev Range Activity Less than 200 operating hours ago
Rev Range 3&4 Oil filter & Compression check + Test Drive"" details submitted to Reading technical support for consideration
Rev Range 5&6 Warranty not possible unless engine replaced

Rev Range Activity More than 200 operating hours ago
Rev Range 3-6 Oil filter & Compression check + Test Drive warranty possible if all OK

The big change as I see it is that RR3 now requires a full evaluation whereas before it was not deemed to be a problem. The positive is that even with RR5 or RR6 activity a warranty is possible if it was more than 200 operating hours ago.

 

[tscaptain]

What do they do on the test drive I wonder..............?[&:]

 

[Geoff_Fields]

Over rev it![]

 

[garyw]

http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=665440&mpage=1&key=limiter&#665471

On inspection they do a compression test and drop some oil to check for the obvious signs...
Cost is book at about £650...

As said before, its an insurance scheme and they are just imiting their risk as insurance companies do..
I'd be more worried the fact that Porsche have stood by and lost faith in a product they build [&:]

garyw

 

[marlin]

ORIGINAL: garyw

http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=665440&mpage=1&key=limiter&#665471

On inspection they do a compression test and drop some oil to check for the obvious signs...
Cost is book at about £650...

As said before, its an insurance scheme and they are just imiting their risk as insurance companies do..
I'd be more worried the fact that Porsche have stood by and lost faith in a product they build [&:]

garyw

Can not remember what my over rev thing was as its several years since I fell out over this shi*e, my OPC carried out the tests for free. Porsche then offered to warrant the car but by that time I was so pis*ed off I had done a runner to a excellent Indy who has saved me a kings ransom []

A small matter however is only I have ever driven this car ( Porsche technicians excluded) at no time has this car been subject to any driving that could register a over rev scenario. Luckily for me I bought the car as a retirement keeper []

 

[Glyn]

So if you have a rev range 5 or 6 at less than 200 hrs ago you can either replace the engine or wait until 200 opperating hours have been exceeded.

How about Porsche have a sales criteria of only selling to those over 65 yrs of age and only drive less than 1K per year?
OPC warranty is a complete joke, so many hurdles and so little cover, just get your cover elsewhere

 

[pboldmonts]

Er! What are you implying by only selling to over 65s!!! See you on any track pal and show you a clean chrome pipe or 4!!!!!!

 

[Glyn]

ORIGINAL: pboldmonts

Er! What are you implying by only selling to over 65s!!! See you on any track pal and show you a clean chrome pipe or 4!!!!!!

OK, Over 65s with a medical condition and have been nicked at least once for unduly slow progress, less than 1000 miles per year, No track days allowed.

 

[Mark Elder]

So they seem to be saying they agree to supply and fit a free new engine if the hours-count shows it happened "in their care".

 

[Robin M]

I bet they are not... Unless somehow you can prove it!

 

[dereksharpuk]

Porsche state very clearly that cars with PDK cannot be over revved!

In a manual gearbox Porsche on acceleration the rev limiter will protect the engine with the rev limiter. However, a manual car can be over revved if the driver selects a lower gear at too high a speed for that gear. So the moral is, don't select a lower gear if you are anywhere near the rev limit.

Alternatively, buy a car with PDK... you know you want to []

 

[Lancerlot]

ORIGINAL: dereksharpuk

Porsche state very clearly that cars with PDK cannot be over revved!

I'd be interested to look at that quote.

Can you tell me where I might find it, please?

Regards,

Clive.

 

[dereksharpuk]

Hi Clive,

Quote from Mark Scoles, service manager at Swindon OPC:

'Derek, Good morning.

You wont have an issue with your car as the PDK sytem prevents over revs happening. On the manual box you are protected by the rev limiter going up through the box. It is poor driving that causes the over revs when customers drop too many gears at one time on over run.'

 

[Lancerlot]

Hi Derek,

That's interesting.

Wayne Blackhall at Exeter OPC seems to think there are circumstances in which a car with PDK can be over-revved.

I've no idea what they are, but presumably on the over-run again. I had assumed it would not be possible to select too low a gear with PDK transmission, but I'm reluctant to give it a try! []

I'm seeing him on Friday so will endeavour to clarify the matter.

Regards,

Clive.

 

[dereksharpuk]

Let me know what you find!

 

[garyw]

ORIGINAL: dereksharpuk
It is poor driving that causes the over revs when customers drop too many gears at one time on over run.'

[&:] sounds like a company policy line to me...
It could also happen on over run, but I wouldn't expect Porsche to admit that for a second.

garyw

 

[pboldmonts]

Thats better Glyn - I escape!!!![][]

ORIGINAL: Glyn

ORIGINAL: pboldmonts

Er! What are you implying by only selling to over 65s!!! See you on any track pal and show you a clean chrome pipe or 4!!!!!!

OK, Over 65s with a medical condition and have been nicked at least once for unduly slow progress, less than 1000 miles per year, No track days allowed.

 

[waxman]

Hi
i was also told the same thing by my OPC that PDK could not be "overrevved" when i picked up my GTS recently,can someone explain why it is not possible to downshift too many gears in manual mode? (not going to try this myself)_i did have them print out the GTS rev history as there has been so much on this issue and it had band 1 and 2 only.(i know thats not a problem but is it not still technically an overrev??[8|])
As an aside my trade in manual had a band 4 overrev (apparently from before I bought, from the same OPC) and they took that back without an issue or further comment.[]
tony

 

[Glyn]

Because manual mode on PDK is not really manual.
Manual mode means you can select any gear you like as and when you like provided the inbuilt software says you can - If computer says No then its No, so they are correct in that it cant be overreved - the limiter prevents it on the way up and the gearbox will not allow you to select a lower gear until the computer knows the road speed and the lower gear engagement will not exceed the limiter at that speed.
That said - it is possible to over rev any engine by doing it in neutral, If throttle is floored and no load on engine it will spin up so quickly that when the limiter is reached the engine continues to increase in revs due to forces applying - but these over revs should be well within the capability of the engines manufactured tollerance - ie rev range 1 and 2

The maximum revs of an engine set by the manufacturer is always well within the capability of the engine - there is always a large margin of safety, so band 1 and 2 are not an issue for the engine and they are well within tollerance level but anything a manufacturer can do to reduce warranty claims by limiting its products that will seem reasonable and not overly restrictive is a bonus to longer life.

If there was no rev restriction Porsche and other manufacturers of performance vehicles would take a big hit on blown engines, They are aware the type of person that buys a performance car is unlikely to be the type that pootle at 50mph in top gear - they will exploit the performance and with that comes the mistakes that put the engine working beyond its limits.

However, where did they come up with the nonsense that rev range 5 and 6 if under 200hrs needs a new engine at £12K but if over 200 hrs then an inspection and OK to warranty, TBH if you wanted OPC warranty then you wouldnt change the engine - you would wait and in the meantime take a policy elsewhere.

 

[Lancerlot]

ORIGINAL: dereksharpuk
Let me know what you find!

The word from Exeter OPC today is, although some PDK transmission cars have reported over-revs, it is the official policy to ignore these for warranty purposes.

So, from a practical point of view, it is not possible to over-rev engines operated with PDK transmissions.

Regards,

Clive.