PCCB or PDDC?
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I have PDCC and would most likely spec it again. Came into its own on sweeping curves and hairpins through the Vosges Mountains last summer. Looking forward to getting back down there this summer. Also have LEDs with PDLS+, which are definitely worth the extra if you 'need' to spend more. Would not bother with ceramics unless I was tracking the car regularly.
Peter
PCCB, Rear wheel steering and PDCC are not essential but that is dangerous logic to follow because it could be argued a 911 is not essential either, a Cayman GTS being all the sports car you need. Of the 3 PCCB seems to be the one that generates the most marmite reactions. Personally I take no account of the views of subscribers who have never owned a car with PCCB because there is no substitute for long term ownership to asses the real worth of an option. In my book a few laps of Silverstone or a quick trip round the OPC block just doesn't cut it and the fiercest critics of PCCB are normally those that have never owned a car with them. My view of the three are:
1. PCCB
Lots of benefits and some disadvantages. All of these listed elsewhere but I think the benefits that you would most enjoy are:
i) wash the car and don't worry about the discs going rusty
ii) Less brake dust so wheels stay cleaner longer
ii) Great initial bite so it encourages you to brake later and enjoy the car more
iv) In normal road use discs and pads last forever so they can offer a payback versus steels
v) The current PCCB are larger than the steels (410mm v's 380mm) so offer better braking simply because they have a larger swept area not because the composite has more friction
vi) Because the discs are larger they look great and fill up the wheel so look aggressive
I have had PCCB on my last 3 911's and I think they are worth the money. I think you would enjoy them
2. Rear Wheel Steering
When driving normally you don't notice it is there but push on a bit and you will find that the car turns in so much better it is more like a go kart. Its worth having in my view and adds to the enjoyment of my GT3 I think you would enjoy it to.
3. PDDC
This system works well and does exactly what it is designed to do that is minimise weight transfer and so gives the car more grip and I think helps reduce tyre wear as the tyre is working less hard
I would encourage you to go for all 3!!
PCCB, Rear wheel steering and PDCC are not essential but that is dangerous logic to follow because it could be argued a 911 is not essential either, a Cayman GTS being all the sports car you need. Of the 3 PCCB seems to be the one that generates the most marmite reactions. Personally I take no account of the views of subscribers who have never owned a car with PCCB because there is no substitute for long term ownership to asses the real worth of an option. In my book a few laps of Silverstone or a quick trip round the OPC block just doesn't cut it and the fiercest critics of PCCB are normally those that have never owned a car with them. My view of the three are:
1. PCCB
Lots of benefits and some disadvantages. All of these listed elsewhere but I think the benefits that you would most enjoy are:
i) wash the car and don't worry about the discs going rusty
ii) Less brake dust so wheels stay cleaner longer
ii) Great initial bite so it encourages you to brake later and enjoy the car more
iv) In normal road use discs and pads last forever so they can offer a payback versus steels
v) The current PCCB are larger than the steels (410mm v's 380mm) so offer better braking simply because they have a larger swept area not because the composite has more friction
vi) Because the discs are larger they look great and fill up the wheel so look aggressive
I have had PCCB on my last 3 911's and I think they are worth the money. I think you would enjoy them
2. Rear Wheel Steering
When driving normally you don't notice it is there but push on a bit and you will find that the car turns in so much better it is more like a go kart. Its worth having in my view and adds to the enjoyment of my GT3 I think you would enjoy it to.
3. PDDC
This system works well and does exactly what it is designed to do that is minimise weight transfer and so gives the car more grip and I think helps reduce tyre wear as the tyre is working less hard
I would encourage you to go for all 3!!
Some good points raised ,but having driven the turbo for around 8k miles in all
sorts of conditions I ask myself what I would miss from the three options.
Having had two other modern 911,s 997 and 991 I cannot say that ceramics
would be at the top of the list.
Great from a cosmetic point of view ,cleaning, brake dust etc,
low speed braking is not as good , in wet conditions there is delay in
intial bite imo ,but at high speeds and track useage they are great.
The larger front disc has downsides in that the clearance between disc /inner rim is
very tight ,several times I have found in bad conditions that twigs or whatever have
stuck between the inner disc and shield and now have several score marks on the
inside of the rim.
Cannot remember ever having this as a issue on previous cars.
PDCC tick here
Yes you can feel the effect the car corners flatter with the reduction in body roll.
REAR STEER ,a definite tick for this
With a heavy 991 like the turbo S, it improves the handling by a mile imo,'go kart' feel mentioned sums it up.
but beware, cosmetic trade off in that road grit and general rubbish seems to cause more chips
and damage to the sills and rear valance, looking at mine painted sills are a definitive no no!. mud flaps more like.lol
Others would be
PDLS ,superb stick it on full beam blast away and forget it.
Speed limit warning, cheap option in Porsche terms very clever, would tick that box.
sorts of conditions I ask myself what I would miss from the three options.
Having had two other modern 911,s 997 and 991 I cannot say that ceramics
would be at the top of the list.
Great from a cosmetic point of view ,cleaning, brake dust etc,
low speed braking is not as good , in wet conditions there is delay in
intial bite imo ,but at high speeds and track useage they are great.
The larger front disc has downsides in that the clearance between disc /inner rim is
very tight ,several times I have found in bad conditions that twigs or whatever have
stuck between the inner disc and shield and now have several score marks on the
inside of the rim.
Cannot remember ever having this as a issue on previous cars.
PDCC tick here
Yes you can feel the effect the car corners flatter with the reduction in body roll.
REAR STEER ,a definite tick for this
With a heavy 991 like the turbo S, it improves the handling by a mile imo,'go kart' feel mentioned sums it up.
but beware, cosmetic trade off in that road grit and general rubbish seems to cause more chips
and damage to the sills and rear valance, looking at mine painted sills are a definitive no no!. mud flaps more like.lol
Others would be
PDLS ,superb stick it on full beam blast away and forget it.
Speed limit warning, cheap option in Porsche terms very clever, would tick that box.
Hi Peter
Just returned from the AGM and suffering from Porsche overload - all the end of month stuff to do, Llandrindod write up half finished, Autumn weekend plans and thoughts for a European trip to Northern Spain next year - quite a lot to do for Region 5 also. I was pleased to hear on the grapevine that you had committed to a Gen 2 - cabriolet? Does this mean you want your job back? I hope my enthusiasm for the 4S cab that I borrowed from Wilmslow helped with your decision. Nice spec for Ellis' car my preferences in bold. We have just booked the 997 Christmas Party and will be staying on Friday night also - nice to see there are quit a few on the list from the Spring weekend.
N5 Night Blue Metallic
1V Black convertible top
AZ Black leather interior
603 Bi-Xenon main headlights including Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS) - expensive but brilliant
638 ParkAssist (front and rear) with reversing camera
529 SportDesign exterior mirrors
PDK still a lot to learn about it
658 Power steering
474 Front axle lift system - not essential
470 Rear-axle steering - helps prevent the low speed bumping on full lock
QR5 Sport Chrono Package including mode switch
176 Sports exhaust system
Carrera Sport or Carrera S wheels
446 Wheel centres with full-colour Porsche Crest
454 Cruise control
457 Lane Change Assist
P13 Automatically dimming mirrors with integrated rain sensor
858 GT - Sport steering wheel
489 Heated multifunction steering wheel
P02 Sports Bucket Seats with memory package
342 Seat heating
810 Floor mats
022 Rev counter dial face in black
XSC Porsche Crest embossed on headrests
9VL BOSE® Surround Sound-System
Speed Limit Indicator - think I got caught on the way back from Cornbury House
Power Steering Plus - especially on the 4
Just returned from the AGM and suffering from Porsche overload - all the end of month stuff to do, Llandrindod write up half finished, Autumn weekend plans and thoughts for a European trip to Northern Spain next year - quite a lot to do for Region 5 also. I was pleased to hear on the grapevine that you had committed to a Gen 2 - cabriolet? Does this mean you want your job back? I hope my enthusiasm for the 4S cab that I borrowed from Wilmslow helped with your decision. Nice spec for Ellis' car my preferences in bold. We have just booked the 997 Christmas Party and will be staying on Friday night also - nice to see there are quit a few on the list from the Spring weekend.
N5 Night Blue Metallic
1V Black convertible top
AZ Black leather interior
603 Bi-Xenon main headlights including Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS) - expensive but brilliant
638 ParkAssist (front and rear) with reversing camera
529 SportDesign exterior mirrors
PDK still a lot to learn about it
658 Power steering
474 Front axle lift system - not essential
470 Rear-axle steering - helps prevent the low speed bumping on full lock
QR5 Sport Chrono Package including mode switch
176 Sports exhaust system
Carrera Sport or Carrera S wheels
446 Wheel centres with full-colour Porsche Crest
454 Cruise control
457 Lane Change Assist
P13 Automatically dimming mirrors with integrated rain sensor
858 GT - Sport steering wheel
489 Heated multifunction steering wheel
P02 Sports Bucket Seats with memory package
342 Seat heating
810 Floor mats
022 Rev counter dial face in black
XSC Porsche Crest embossed on headrests
9VL BOSE® Surround Sound-System
Speed Limit Indicator - think I got caught on the way back from Cornbury House
Power Steering Plus - especially on the 4
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[FONT=calibri"]Don’t want to fall out with Bob over PCCB [
] so let’s move swiftly on to a couple of minor items.
[FONT=calibri"][FONT=calibri"]I had read some negative things about Power Steering Plus and would certainly not pay extra for it, but I have it on the GTS and to be honest it seems to be exactly the same as normal steering. That observation should be tempered with the insight that I can’t tell the difference between hydraulic and electric assistance.
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[FONT=calibri"]The other thing to bear in mind if ordering new is Factory Collection. I realise we were there last September on the Euro Tour. However, as a well organised short break for two including flights, transport, hotels, handover, lunch at the factory, 9 days insurance and Flexi ticket on the Shuttle it is pretty decent value. It used to have to be specified at time of placing the order, I don’t know if that still applies.
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[FONT=calibri"]Don’t want to fall out with Bob over PCCB [
] so let’s move swiftly on to a couple of minor items. [FONT=calibri"]
[FONT=calibri"]I had read some negative things about Power Steering Plus and would certainly not pay extra for it, but I have it on the GTS and to be honest it seems to be exactly the same as normal steering. That observation should be tempered with the insight that I can’t tell the difference between hydraulic and electric assistance.[FONT=calibri"]
[FONT=calibri"]The other thing to bear in mind if ordering new is Factory Collection. I realise we were there last September on the Euro Tour. However, as a well organised short break for two including flights, transport, hotels, handover, lunch at the factory, 9 days insurance and Flexi ticket on the Shuttle it is pretty decent value. It used to have to be specified at time of placing the order, I don’t know if that still applies.
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Well the last few days have certainly concentrated the mind. Met up with some owners over the weekend and lots of advice and recommendations, plus the forum, and another delve around BigCat's highly specced car this morning before a session in the torture chamber at Dick Lovett Swindon.
My main prevarication was over the colour, and fortunately they had a Lava Orange car in the back lot, because having finally decided to go for the colour before seeing it, immediately changed my mind. It looked flat, pastel and a bit wishy washy in daylight. I was really surprised as the GT3RS at Althorp looked stunning (as did the ones at the factory). Maybe it is the contrast with the extensive black accents on the GT car.
By the time we had finished the spec looks like this (no, not a soft top Phil!!);
Carrera C2S Coupe
Guards Red
Black leather
Logos in black
Led lights in Black (PDLS+)
Washers in black
Sport design mirrors with black painted lower trim
20" RS Spyder wheels with colour crests
PDDC
Rear axle steering
PDK
Sport chrono
Sports exhaust
Cruise control
Speed limit display (apparently I need that)
Adaptive sport seats plus
GT MF steering wheel
Smoking package
Mats
Dimming mirrors and rain sensors
Air vents painted red
Rev counter in black
Guards red seatbelts
Crests on headrests,
Carbon interior pack
Light design package
Bose
and the passenger storage net which was...free!
Hopefully a June build, so fingers crossed, and now looking forward to this new package []
Nice idea on the factory collection, Nick, but persuading Lesley that she wants to sit in a car for another day across Europe may be a step too far...
My main prevarication was over the colour, and fortunately they had a Lava Orange car in the back lot, because having finally decided to go for the colour before seeing it, immediately changed my mind. It looked flat, pastel and a bit wishy washy in daylight. I was really surprised as the GT3RS at Althorp looked stunning (as did the ones at the factory). Maybe it is the contrast with the extensive black accents on the GT car.
By the time we had finished the spec looks like this (no, not a soft top Phil!!);
Carrera C2S Coupe
Guards Red
Black leather
Logos in black
Led lights in Black (PDLS+)
Washers in black
Sport design mirrors with black painted lower trim
20" RS Spyder wheels with colour crests
PDDC
Rear axle steering
PDK
Sport chrono
Sports exhaust
Cruise control
Speed limit display (apparently I need that)
Adaptive sport seats plus
GT MF steering wheel
Smoking package
Mats
Dimming mirrors and rain sensors
Air vents painted red
Rev counter in black
Guards red seatbelts
Crests on headrests,
Carbon interior pack
Light design package
Bose
and the passenger storage net which was...free!
Hopefully a June build, so fingers crossed, and now looking forward to this new package [
]Nice idea on the factory collection, Nick, but persuading Lesley that she wants to sit in a car for another day across Europe may be a step too far...
Beat me to it. It must be an age related thing but heated seats are non negotiable these days.pwebb said:
Lovely spec Peter.......all the right bits in all the right places. And red will be nice and easy to spot as you disappear over the horizon on a wave of mid range torque. [
]
Sounds like quite an alluring mix of red and black there Peter, should look stunning in that spec. Is PCM/Connect Plus (Apple Car Play etc) included? We're collecting a Carmine Red Macan GTS up this weekend with all the toys.
Be interested to hear your impressions compared with your previous 911s once the bedding in is complete and you can fully 'open the taps'. Look forward to seeing you on (but not in!!!) the rural landscape sooner rather than later.
Be interested to hear your impressions compared with your previous 911s once the bedding in is complete and you can fully 'open the taps'. Look forward to seeing you on (but not in!!!) the rural landscape sooner rather than later.
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