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Hilux
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This was taken AFTER washing the front wheels [&:]
An hour (yes, one hour approx per wheel) later and a toothbrush and `Wonder Wheels` and there are still deposits on the wheel that wont come off .
Methinks I am going to use the D90`s as track wheels and get some Cup 1`s as everyday wheels.
As I am doing a massive jolly in Europe this summer and will not have access to regular `proper` washing of the wheels should I swap the pads?
An hour (yes, one hour approx per wheel) later and a toothbrush and `Wonder Wheels` and there are still deposits on the wheel that wont come off .
Methinks I am going to use the D90`s as track wheels and get some Cup 1`s as everyday wheels.
As I am doing a massive jolly in Europe this summer and will not have access to regular `proper` washing of the wheels should I swap the pads?
Heheheha!ORIGINAL: Hilux
He`s secretly got shares in a wheel refurb company []
Seriously I think for race days you should just take a bucket and sponge. With the road useage and especially with those D90's or similar full cover wheels, for want of a better description, they look very easy to give a quick wipe over a few times a week also. God try cleaning a BBS clone with all the spokes every other day. Still once you've tried them I just can't go back to something else. Plus did you notice in the Stoptech link how good they are re wearing both pad and disc? Too damn good to refuse for me.
I've only just had a chance to try my pfc 97's but yes they are fantastic, can only really compare to EBC Green, but way better street and track.Little concerned about the hot metal thing, but didn't notice any damage, body work is really my concern, I have black anodised track wheels
Hilux
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If its hot metal dust it can only get worse!
I`m not sure why it happens though. Other pads on other cars I`ve owned all get hot, one set wore the discs out quicker than the pads so presumably was coating my car and wheels with metal dust but the dust was still a wash/wipe off??
Never mind, I`m just off out to get it all dirty again [8D]
I`m not sure why it happens though. Other pads on other cars I`ve owned all get hot, one set wore the discs out quicker than the pads so presumably was coating my car and wheels with metal dust but the dust was still a wash/wipe off??
Never mind, I`m just off out to get it all dirty again [8D]
sawood12
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I'm quickly going off wonder wheels as well. It works a treat but i'm also worried about it's corrosive effects on other components like brakes. I noticed that after using wonder wheels over the period of about 12 - 18months it gave my older calipers a white-whash effect. A closer inspction has revealed that it has stripped the black paint (or whatever coating the calipers have) ane the white wash tide-line effect is where boundry with the bare caliper material meets what paint is left. I'm not going to use it now i've fitted my big blacks. Incidentally my rear calipers seem unaffected but I think that's because they are buried deeper in the wheel and probably never comes into contact with the stuff.
I now use a plastic pan scourer to attach those awkward and stubborn brake dust deposits. The corrosive effect of the PF pads is a worry and is the prime reason why I stuck with EBC's even though I wasn't 100% satisfied with them. I was coming round to the idea of fitting the PF pads.
I now use a plastic pan scourer to attach those awkward and stubborn brake dust deposits. The corrosive effect of the PF pads is a worry and is the prime reason why I stuck with EBC's even though I wasn't 100% satisfied with them. I was coming round to the idea of fitting the PF pads.
Hilux
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I thrashed the car to within an inch of its life this morning (well not quite but I wasnt hanging about)
Really gave the brakes some stick (serious stick) braking v hard from seriously high speeds and guess what?................................
A light coating of dust that wipes off [8D]
Its clear that they get really hot on track and obviously stay hot but I am still amazed at how the PF pad powder burns itself onto the wheels as most others dont???? and today I `may` have noticed something significant.
The day and roads were dry BUT I had gone through a couple of minor puddles and a couple of drives where people were washing cars and the run off was in the road so when I went to clean the wheels the dust came off fine EXCEPT where the wheels had a few splashes on them Interestingly at Bedford it was v v wet at first and only dried up after noon. Hmmmmm....strange
I`ll have to say the pads are brilliant BUT I`ve no direct comparison with Mintex 1155`s etc so its a personal thing with me. You simply caress the pedal and from the slightest contact the car slows as if by magic cos with the current set up there is minimal squat or nose dive and you dont need massive pedal pressures either to get the ABS chattering.....superb. 1/3mm of disc wear so far.
I cant be *rsed to go through all that wheel cleaning again as cars are for driving and I dont have time to kneel in homage to all four corners clutching the wifes old toothbrush for three hours so I'll be mostly getting the wheels refurbed soon in `Anthracite` or similar (anyone got any piccies of a silver car with `dark` D90`s??
Really gave the brakes some stick (serious stick) braking v hard from seriously high speeds and guess what?................................
A light coating of dust that wipes off [8D]
Its clear that they get really hot on track and obviously stay hot but I am still amazed at how the PF pad powder burns itself onto the wheels as most others dont???? and today I `may` have noticed something significant.
The day and roads were dry BUT I had gone through a couple of minor puddles and a couple of drives where people were washing cars and the run off was in the road so when I went to clean the wheels the dust came off fine EXCEPT where the wheels had a few splashes on them Interestingly at Bedford it was v v wet at first and only dried up after noon. Hmmmmm....strange
I`ll have to say the pads are brilliant BUT I`ve no direct comparison with Mintex 1155`s etc so its a personal thing with me. You simply caress the pedal and from the slightest contact the car slows as if by magic cos with the current set up there is minimal squat or nose dive and you dont need massive pedal pressures either to get the ABS chattering.....superb. 1/3mm of disc wear so far.
I cant be *rsed to go through all that wheel cleaning again as cars are for driving and I dont have time to kneel in homage to all four corners clutching the wifes old toothbrush for three hours so I'll be mostly getting the wheels refurbed soon in `Anthracite` or similar (anyone got any piccies of a silver car with `dark` D90`s??
Davyboy
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I'd say it has definately something to do with them being used in the wet.
The first time I used them it was only at the ring, in the dry. The second time was as more daily transport including wet days. I used them on the Clio on a 450 mile wet trip to the ring. The damage was clear after we arrived.
I dont know why this would be........but there you go.
The first time I used them it was only at the ring, in the dry. The second time was as more daily transport including wet days. I used them on the Clio on a 450 mile wet trip to the ring. The damage was clear after we arrived.
I dont know why this would be........but there you go.
Peter Empson
PCGB Member
Assuming the PFC's are the same as my beloved Porterfields then on my experience I would recommned using one of the coatings designed to prevent dust brake dust from sticking before driving anywhere. I think I use a Turtle wax one that comes in a bright green spray bottle and take extra care to ensure good coverage of all the leading edges and dust traps. I have also tried Zymol wax on the wheels with similar results, but find the former easier and cheaper!
As long as you wash the wheels thoroughly soon after a track day then it should come off very well, and I would definately agree with Dave about not letting them get wet, the particles seem to rust on and then need a lot of work to remove (with a toothbrush and an acid based cleaner in my case - however please note I'm not that worried about the appearance of my wheels as they're just badly home painted).
As regards it sticking to paint work, on my white car you can see the residue clearly building up on all the exposed edges of paintwork. Best to wash it off as soon as possible otherwise it will again rust on, however a clay bar will soon get any traces off, even after this. After a few thousand miles of this treatment I have not noticed any long term problems with my paint, although I suppose it's possible that clear coated paints might suffer more.
As long as you wash the wheels thoroughly soon after a track day then it should come off very well, and I would definately agree with Dave about not letting them get wet, the particles seem to rust on and then need a lot of work to remove (with a toothbrush and an acid based cleaner in my case - however please note I'm not that worried about the appearance of my wheels as they're just badly home painted).
As regards it sticking to paint work, on my white car you can see the residue clearly building up on all the exposed edges of paintwork. Best to wash it off as soon as possible otherwise it will again rust on, however a clay bar will soon get any traces off, even after this. After a few thousand miles of this treatment I have not noticed any long term problems with my paint, although I suppose it's possible that clear coated paints might suffer more.
Neil Haughey
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Sounds like something like spray wax or quick detailer. I have been using Meguirs speed detailer recently with a microfibre cloth. I really like this stuff. It is so quick and easy and works as a top up between waxes. Doesn't stop the car from getting dirty though.
Diver944
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After I fitted my PF97s yesterday I gave the wheels a quick clean then went out to follow the bedding in procedure (numerous high speed stops getting harder and harder on the pedal then allow to cool naturally). When I got home the wheels were well covered in dust as you'd expect but it washed straight off []. Obviously this is not the same treatment as a trackday but they were seriosuly hot when I pulled in to one layby and had that familar 'hot brake' smell that I quite like [8|]
It sounds like wet days are the problem (I shall bring a collapsible bucket with me for those days [8|]) and I think maybe black or dark grey will be applied to my track D90s if they get bad
]. Obviously this is not the same treatment as a trackday but they were seriosuly hot when I pulled in to one layby and had that familar 'hot brake' smell that I quite like [8|] It sounds like wet days are the problem (I shall bring a collapsible bucket with me for those days [8|]) and I think maybe black or dark grey will be applied to my track D90s if they get bad
Neil Haughey
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Off topic I know but I meant to ask you and Andrew about the procedure for scrubbing in new tyres. Hopefully my RS2's are ok since the wet conditions at Bedford means they where broken in gently. I have to say they feel completely different now. Much sharper, solid and grippy but also more noisy. Perhaps a proportion of the poor wet grip was just down to having such new tyres. I have a nice rough texture on all 4 tyres that seems to be staying after a few days road driving. So far hugely impressed since miles more grippy then Toyo T1-S but perhaps less forgiving i.e. sharper limit.
The makers give a scrubbing in procedure similar to that needed to bed in high performance pads.
Me BHP XPS pads didn't have a special procedure but this may to some extent be down to them being touted as a replacement for stock pads.
The makers give a scrubbing in procedure similar to that needed to bed in high performance pads.
Me BHP XPS pads didn't have a special procedure but this may to some extent be down to them being touted as a replacement for stock pads.
Well Beaky is back home at last, all shiny and proud of himself (damn well ought to be considering the bill).
First drive of Big Blacks with Red Stuff pads is not good at all. Obviously they need a good few 100 miles before I can make a proper assessment but first impressions is they have no initial bite (useless for me as I am a bid of a pad polisher) and then a woolly feel which is difficult to modulate. They will lock up easily from 60 mph on a flat dry road so obviously do bite - and they squeal like a piggy if used for anything other than serious braking.
.'. 6/20 for 1st impressions.
Could well be ordering a set of PFC's if things don't improve.
First drive of Big Blacks with Red Stuff pads is not good at all. Obviously they need a good few 100 miles before I can make a proper assessment but first impressions is they have no initial bite (useless for me as I am a bid of a pad polisher) and then a woolly feel which is difficult to modulate. They will lock up easily from 60 mph on a flat dry road so obviously do bite - and they squeal like a piggy if used for anything other than serious braking.
.'. 6/20 for 1st impressions.
Could well be ordering a set of PFC's if things don't improve.
edh
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John - FWIW, EBC recommend several hundred miles of driving to bed in their pads (not like Mintex, PFC etc..) - but I'd have to say that I wasn't very impressed with Red Ceramic.
My PFC 97's have arrived - so do I wait for the 1155's to wear out before I fit them? - I was wondering about those racers edge titanium plates as well - seems almost a shame not to buy some.
My PFC 97's have arrived - so do I wait for the 1155's to wear out before I fit them? - I was wondering about those racers edge titanium plates as well - seems almost a shame not to buy some.
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