Porsche drivers - speeding ??
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Probably just 3 guys pushing on and clearing traffic - some tree hugger has taken offence and made a fuss.
Quite a good road for pressing on as I remember.
Have to say that launching an investigation via the press seems a little OTT unless they really were going barmy ( which I do not endorse in any way ).
Andrew
Quite a good road for pressing on as I remember.
Have to say that launching an investigation via the press seems a little OTT unless they really were going barmy ( which I do not endorse in any way ).
Andrew
I would be interested to know what exactly they could be charged with ?
How could speeding be proven without some form of calibrated time/distance evidence?
With just the word of a "witness" and no other corroborating evidence I wonder if this could ever end in a prosecution.
They seem to know their cars, they were sure the offenders were driving Porsches, funny how with an eye for detail like that they failed to take the registration number from any of the 3..... Or maybe they WERE going too fast [
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Edit... Just read article again. They probably do have the reg no's and are just looking for more witnesses.
How could speeding be proven without some form of calibrated time/distance evidence?
With just the word of a "witness" and no other corroborating evidence I wonder if this could ever end in a prosecution.
They seem to know their cars, they were sure the offenders were driving Porsches, funny how with an eye for detail like that they failed to take the registration number from any of the 3..... Or maybe they WERE going too fast [
]Edit... Just read article again. They probably do have the reg no's and are just looking for more witnesses.
I was investigated a few years ago in that part of the world after driving over the cairn o mount road. I overtook an elderly chap of about 127 years of age who happened to be driving a new S class Merc. He found this objectionable and felt it necessary to contact the local constabulary to report my excessive and dangerous speed. Hence with I was duly pulled by the federals on my way into Banchory and before I could open my mouth I found myself being read the riot act to such an extent I thought that I was going to be taken to the cells never to see the light of day again.
However, things changed quite quickly once I was allowed to speak as I had a trailer on with a 2 ton machine on board and a tachograph fitted to my vehicle. It was red faces all round as once the information had been extrapolated from the tachograph it was absolutely clear that at no point during my journey had I exceeded 40 mph and more so it showed a 6 mile or so stretch where I stuck behind the old chap where my average speed was 14 mph.
It was to first on only time that I've had a fully loaded pickup being compared to the Millennium Falcon.[]
However, things changed quite quickly once I was allowed to speak as I had a trailer on with a 2 ton machine on board and a tachograph fitted to my vehicle. It was red faces all round as once the information had been extrapolated from the tachograph it was absolutely clear that at no point during my journey had I exceeded 40 mph and more so it showed a 6 mile or so stretch where I stuck behind the old chap where my average speed was 14 mph.
It was to first on only time that I've had a fully loaded pickup being compared to the Millennium Falcon.[
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John H
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I find this very worrying. The general public have been brainwashed about speeding, and now they are being encouraged not only to all drive like snails but to report anyone who's driving offends them. The recently announced so called crack down on tailgaters and middle lane hogs is totally unenforceable by the police (and they know it) but would be a perfect excuse for Joe Motorist to report you. Add to this the rise of these insidious spy cameras on the dashboard, and the road network will soon end up like some sort of neighbourhood watch scheme, where everyone is encouraged to spy on each other and report them. Isn't this how the Gestapo and the Stazi operated? Draw your own conclusions.
GreigM
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Indeed, but I'd hope the burden of admissible proof would encourage the police to stop nonsense like the above in papers....all the drivers need to do is say "see you and your evidence in court" and it will be taken no further....I would hope the burden of admissible evidence still applies in the UK court system. I imagine the above is simply to put the "frighteners" on some drivers who were seen misbehaving.
What I find particularly sinister about this is that I imagine the main purpose of the article is to not just to put the frighteners on some drivers but anyone who drives more quickly than some other road users!
That we are discussing it here shows how powerful the media can be.
I am sure it was the stated aim of some political organisation not so long ago to campaign to make speeding "as antisocial as drink driving".
Seems to be working. Scary stuff.
We live in East Yorks and are subject to the pestilence of camera vans. I don't have any problem with these in villages with 30 limits but to conceal them on long straights which are ideal for safe overtaking seems to me to be both wrong and suspicious. The thought that it is about revenue raising has to spring to mind.
The result is that everyone travels at 55 mph ( if your lucky) and there is no desire to overtake OR to let others overtake.
All very frustrating and the demonisation of those who choose to press on is both unfair and unfounded.
Andrew
The result is that everyone travels at 55 mph ( if your lucky) and there is no desire to overtake OR to let others overtake.
All very frustrating and the demonisation of those who choose to press on is both unfair and unfounded.
Andrew
John H
New member
This is the biggest mistake of all, these things are NOT about making money, at best they are little more than self financing job creation schemes. What they really are, are instruments of social control. A certain section of society has decided that you shall only ever drive like a snail, and they have found the means to enforce their view and are doing so with gusto. Meanwhile, real driving issues like driving without insurance go unchecked, cos you can't easily bust folk for that while sitting in the back of a nice warm van. We should have paid more attention to George Orwell, as 1984 is now well and truly with us.
This may be as you say however in Hull alone last year motorists paid £814000 for the privilege of attending "safety courses" and that isn't counting the fixed penalty camera fines which will be far in excess of that figure.
Someone somewhere is benefitting.
I agree that there is a nanny state "do as your told " attitude out there but sanctimonious greed seems more likely to me at this time.
All we can do is keep our eyes open and hope we see them before they see us I suppose.
Andrew
Someone somewhere is benefitting.
I agree that there is a nanny state "do as your told " attitude out there but sanctimonious greed seems more likely to me at this time.
All we can do is keep our eyes open and hope we see them before they see us I suppose.
Andrew
vitesse
Active member
John ,I think to compare with neighbourhood watch schemes ,clearly displays your lack of knowledge about such schemes,as they don't spy on each other ,rather ,make certain that fellow neighbours have their property kept safe by checking on unusual activities.,suspicious vehicles stopping etc.
As a driver who likes to drive briskly,using my satnav to drive above the speed limits but within the allowed margin of error,& faster where I can see there are no plod,this stuff annoys me equally-particularl;y as we frequently use one of the worst roads for it-the A69 across from the M6 to Northumberland when going to our Daughters.
As to neighbourhood watch schemes,I am an assistant organiser in our area & recently when going to my factory after a morning at home ,disturbed a daytime burglar hit squad who just pulled up across the road from me in a brand new Qashqui & smashed their way into the house until they saw me on the phone reading their reg no to the police.
Everyone should join & stop these lowlife more often.
Yes its a rare factory model option.
The 966 looks similar in every way to a 996 but has the added attraction of extra wide door handles, a huge steering wheel and a gearknob that a Gorilla could comfortably hold.
It was available in the model year 2000 and was factory designated Porsche 966 FFM.
The FFM stands for Fettes Fingriges Modell.
This translates as - Fat Fingered Model.
It was not a success outside of Lanarkshire , with only one recorded model optioned as such.
The 966 looks similar in every way to a 996 but has the added attraction of extra wide door handles, a huge steering wheel and a gearknob that a Gorilla could comfortably hold.
It was available in the model year 2000 and was factory designated Porsche 966 FFM.
The FFM stands for Fettes Fingriges Modell.
This translates as - Fat Fingered Model.
It was not a success outside of Lanarkshire , with only one recorded model optioned as such.
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