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When I bought my 996 it had a lot of swirl marks not ideal as it is dark blue I found a great guy in liverpool who corrected it and told me never use a leather or sponge from now on use a wash mitt, and drying towels, and 2 buckets one to clean the mitt one to then wash the car with. I invested in quiet a bit of kit inc Zymol Polish designed for dark blue cars and I can honestly say over 10 years the car has stayed perfect and it gives me pleasure in washing it this way, more time consuming but very satisfying, a good invesment.

There is a guy in Hemingford near St Ives who has just done my friends Ferrari he has done a very nice job if you want his details then please let me know.

cheers Phil

 
Hi all, wonder if anyone can confirm which gets used first. Wonder if I've been doing it the wrong way around.

i use Autoglym HD car wax and Zymol wax cleaner.

i normally coat the car with th Autoglym wax every three months or so And in between this use Zymol wax cleaner after washing the car. Is this correct or should it be the other way around,

thanks

 
Sorry Cliffwilkins but I'm unsure as to what your saying. Should I use the Zymol cleaner wax first and then use the hd car wax or are you saying I need another polish?

Does the the zymol cleaner wax help promote the Autoglym HD car wax or does it in fact remove the previously applied wax. After all, these products arent cheap.

 
It's an odd combination your using the Zymol Cleaner wax does two things obviously it cleans the paintwork and leaves a certain amount of wax protection .

A coat of wax after will only add to your protection.

 
devans said:
Sorry Cliffwilkins but I'm unsure as to what your saying. Should I use the Zymol cleaner wax first and then use the hd car wax or are you saying I need another polish?

Does the the zymol cleaner wax help promote the Autoglym HD car wax or does it in fact remove the previously applied wax. After all, these products arent cheap.
There's so much out there (here in the Car Care section, and the Internet as a whole) that it is hard to get lost. It's important to know what each product does and how and when to use it, what Cliff was trying to say, was wax is essentially the last step :)

When you say 'do i need another polish' are you using a polish already? A polish is a slight abbrasive, designed to help remove scratches and swirls (if you have lots, a compound or a professional detail will help remove these better) A polish should not be used (IMO) on a regular basis. You would apply a wax to a polished car, to help protect the newly polished car. Dependent on its use, washes and durability, wax should be applied on a more regular basis, to protect the paint. If your Zymol Wax Cleaner (as the name may suggest) is a cleaner/soap/shampoo that contains wax to help (as Cliff suggests) keep/apply wax whilst you wash, to the wax already there. For this reason, I use megusirs liquid wax wash, as it's designed to bond/mix with the meguiars wax I have applied. It may be that, other brands (wash waxes) don't adhere as well to other brands (waxes already applied). This is a trial and error thing for you to know what works best for you (time, budget etc allowing). The reason mixed brands may not work, is then into natural Vs Synthetic waxes and coatings, and you're into a whole new rabbit warren reading up on that! :)

If you want my advice, I hope you find this useful below, others may agree/disagree:

1, Initial car rinse with water to remove dirt (I use a hose, as my car doen't get caked in mud) I would only use a pressure washer for stubborn/heavy dirt

2, PH neutral foam covering to remove and carry any other dirt from paint work, allow to soak in and carry away, but don't let dry. You need PH neutral so that it doesn't remove any previous coatings, such as wax you may have applied already

3, rinse car with water

4, wash car with shampoo of choice using two bucket method (again, actually washing a car can now be a rabbit warren if you're unaware of this method)

5, rinse car

You could decontaminate further with an iron remover, and or clay bar now but this really is for dirty/contaminated cars and not an every time step, or required on 'looked after cars', so I haven't given this a step. If you do this, my recommendation would be then to re-wash car, or at least thoroughly rinse)

Dry car thoroughly (I could again give details on how to do this, just please don't use a leather chamois)

Apply compound to remove deep swirls, marks, scratches. This is not a numbered step, as I am assuming your car isn't in need of huge paint correction (again, not needed every time, and would be for paint in need of correction)

6, Apply polish to help give paint depth. This may remove a wax, so would not advise polishing on a regular basis.

Apply a ceramic coating (if wanted, again, a whole other scenario of exploration, so not having it as a step, but a choice)

7, Apply your wax

8, Possibly apply a quick detailer, to remove any finger prints, splashes, water marks etc

And congratulations, there's a day gone! :)

I have probably just made this scenario and question worse, but it is important to know what your products do. The term 'polishing a car' gets thrown around a lot and isn't something people actually do regularly, if at all, it gets coined as a term.

Hope that helps. Maybe [&:]

 
Suggest OP reads D911ARK's comments fully - he's spot on.

also worth a read is the swissvax manual (pdf free download) - you'll see that it has a cleaner fluid and polish separately - the cleaner fluid removes the old polish and sorts out any micro-scratches (varying levels of abrasive in that), then you polish with a non-abrasive polish.

But the old silicone car polishes had both together, and autoglym are maybe separating now into 'cleaning' and 'polishing' separately (as they really should be).

first time around this is a huge amount of work (D911ARK says a day, which I reckon is an under-estimate) - then beyond that yes it's a day a time. Personally, I let the professionals do this a few times a year and top up the shampoo bit inbetween.

Suggest you give the professionals a first-time run through and see the difference for yourself and then think carefully about how much time you really have to do this week by week - it's an awful lot of work to get things to top notch and keep them there if your car is regularly used.

 
I wouldn't put one brands wax on top of another brands wax. I tried that. The entire car had blotchy marks. looked awful. Might have just been that combination, but you're opening yourself up to that risk.

 
People get confused with polish and wax

Polish will cut the paint to remove light imperfection hence doesn't need to be used on a regular basis .

Wax is a sealant to protect the paintwork and preserve all your hard work preping.

People often say to me i regular polish my car my reply is but have you put a wax on top

Er no you need to apply a wax on top for protection.

Paint cleanser will remove any old products very light imperfections you choose a wax or sealant it will adhere much better.

The Zymol Cleaner wax is an all in one there are a few products on the market that do both but the level of wax content won't last as long, just saves time an effort.

 
Hi Philippe,

I live in St Ives so I think It would be a good idea to for me to contact the guy in Hemingford you know, is he a detailer? It certainly would be of some help.

Thanks jb1

 
Hello Jb1

Sorry for the late reply.

I have his details at my office so will give you his details then. I know he has done an amazing job on my friends Ferrari. It's not cheap but once corrected it will stay good for a long time as long as cleaned correctly.

Can an you send me your email address please or phone number ?

Regards Philippe

 
Thanks for all the advise I have read with real interest. I would also agree that cleaning and waxing a car is far more than a days work for us mere mortals. To clarify, I have used Zymol cleaner wax for many years. It brings out a nice shine on the car ‘zenith blue’ once applied after going through the stresses and strains of car washing and drying etc. It lasts for quite a while, clearly showing that water/rain will simply just run off the car. I use this fairly often, around once every couple of months. The Autoglym HD car wax is what I call an additional layer applied perhaps two to three times a year as a treat. So, neither are polishes as both are waxed. I think my original question perhaps needed to be.... do I need both? The Autoglym is around £48 and the Zymol is around £18. So would I be better off saving money. Very confusing this topic as I suppose at the end of the day everyone has their own favourites

 

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