Remote locking.

[zcacogp]

ORIGINAL: 944 man
Am I the only person who thinks that the cars should be described properly, rather than using made-up names, which came about through mistake/ignorance and were then repeated?

Not wanting to be caught up in an internet row, I think that it IS important to describe cars properly, but the terms used should be unambiguous. Yes, they are "Series 1" and "Series 2", but these are very (too) readily shortened to "S1" and "S2", which then introduces confusion with the models badged "S" and "S2" - which is exactly what has happened on this thread, and has done on previous threads as well.

Calling them "Square Dash" and "Oval Dash" may be colloquial rather than strictly correct, but it does remove this confusion in a stroke. They are also labels which are easier to understand, and people immediately know what sort of cars they refer to.

While I admire your desire for accuracy Simon, I'm with Paul on this one.


Oli.

 

[Mike_Pollock]

I'm with Paul and Oli

Series 1 - Square Dash - 2.5 8 valve

Series 2 - Oval Dash - 2.5 8 valve
- Turbo (all versions)
- 2.5 16 valve (S=Super)
- 2.7 8 valve
- 3.0 16 valve (S2=Super2)

Problems arise with some re-engined vehicles - Peter!

Mike

 

[pauljmcnulty]

Am I the only person who thinks that the cars should be described properly, rather than using made-up names, which came about through mistake/ignorance and were then repeated?

Err, in this case only possibly yes? []

There comes a point where it's more confusing to use the exactly correct terminology to the layman. Medical science is a good example here. I can't get hung up on the exact proper use of a term which is going to cause confusion and possibly error.

Sure, we can all moan about coloquialisms. I still don't use the Hoover very often according to SWMBO. Despite our vacuum cleaner actually being a Sebo. There's a fine line between allowing language to become too restricted by convention, and becoming completely ruined by laziness.

In this case, it's very possible for people to think they own an S2 because they've got an oval-dash car. It's a pointless pedancy to continue it in EVERYDAY use because the S2 was so named. Now, it's clearer for all to use one of the readilly acceptable, and more widely known, alternatives. 85.5 is also confusing, so why push it? Square-dash and oval-dash are wonderfully simple, foolproof monikers to apply when you want to describe the differences. S1 and S2 aren't so people get confused. How does this help new owners? Which is, after all, what clubbing together on forums is all about. []

Bob, sorry. We do this all the time on threads here. Absolutely no idea what's wrong with your central locking, though. I'd get an auto-sparks to look at it. [&o]

 

[ChasR]

Sorry to spoil the party, but weren't some Oval Dash cars Series 1 cars, or at the very least an interim model between the Series 1 and 2 cars?

I admit saying Square and Oval does simplify things just like people call the MGBs Chrome Bumper (which was the MkI, MkII, and MkIII) and rubber Bumper cars and how Golf MkIIs are either Small bumper or Large bumper.

 

[Suffolk944]

The square dash/oval dash is indeed a handy shorthand for the whole Series 1/2 confusion,which whilst in accordance with how Porsche themselves designate the cars does take us out of the whole S/S2 confusion and as others have said is a good way into understanding model differences for those less ITK.

 

[944 man]

ORIGINAL: ChasR

Sorry to spoil the party, but weren't some Oval Dash cars Series 1 cars, or at the very least an interim model between the Series 1 and 2 cars?

No the series two car is the oval dash / flush screen / battery in the boot model.

 

[Diver944]

ORIGINAL: 944 man

Am I the only person who thinks that the cars should be described properly, rather than using made-up names.

I'm afraid to say that yes you might be.

In the past twelve years that I've been on Titanic and then this Forum we had virtually no confusion with the names 'square dash' and 'oval dash'. It's only recently we've had the confusion of Series 1, Series 2, S1 etc.

Obviously, those of us who've been around a while have no problems understanding the different models, but when we get a new or potential owner it seems to cause great confusion [&:]

 

[the_dr38]

Ok my dash looks like a cross between square and oval.........................LOL sorry, had to.

 

[pauljmcnulty]

Ok my dash looks like a cross between square and oval.........................LOL sorry, had to

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[944 man]

ORIGINAL: Diver944

ORIGINAL: 944 man

Am I the only person who thinks that the cars should be described properly, rather than using made-up names.

I'm afraid to say that yes you might be.

In the past twelve years that I've been on Titanic and then this Forum we had virtually no confusion with the names 'square dash' and 'oval dash'. It's only recently we've had the confusion of Series 1, Series 2, S1 etc.

Obviously, those of us who've been around a while have no problems understanding the different models, but when we get a new or potential owner it seems to cause great confusion [&:]

Ive only just realised how ambiguous my comment was. By 'made-up names' I was referring to "1988 S1" and similar; rather than 'early dash' and 'late dash', which I use myself and clearly identifies series one and series two cars.

 

[Mike_Pollock]

Central locking (key operated) was an option on 86 cars, factory remote c/l not 'till 89 with the 3.0 litre.
My 83 has aftermarket c/l , now operated by the alarm remote, so working out what you have may be awkward.
Does anyone know the option codes for C/L? that would be the obvious way of checking whats original.
Mike

 

[944 man]

Are you sure Mike, because Ive seen scores of pairs of Script handles and I havent ever seen one with central locking provision on it. Of the later plain type Id say that about 50% had it.

 

[zcacogp]

How similar are the working parts of the script handles to the plain ones, and could the C/L bits be readily fitted to the script handles? (Either in the factory or in a dealership, before delivery).


Oli.

 

[Mike_Pollock]

Just quoting from a couple of books - the about the 86 option and memory (!) about the remote option on the S2.

I know mine is not Porsche - not with the wiring like it is - and works on VW handles with the plastic WOOD EFFECT! insert, handles.

Mike

 

[Diver944]

Well I know I've seen plenty of the scripted handles fitted to later cars over the years, it's a very sought after modification. Whose to say after twenty years if it's been dealer fitted or added by one of the previous owners? [&:]

 

[pauljmcnulty]

Im confident that factory central locking was only available with the new handles though (what I mean by this is that only the plain late-style handles have provision for central locking) and this was simple key-operated central locking. If its remote then I would venture that it is either retro-fit, or possibly a dealer-fit option

Re-reading this thread in the vain hope of getting to the original question....[&:]

I used to live next door to a Lux that was only a few cars away in chassis numbers from my Lux. Both were 85.5, his a C-reg, mine a D but registered in the July and August of 1986. Both had the key-operated central locking, with the consol-mounted panic switch. His had Porsche scripted handles, never changed and he knew the car all it's life. Mine didn't. Were they an option, or just a cheap cost-saving measure to go for plain handles?

Are we thinking of the older handle design with the black wood-effect plastic insert here, as older design handles, not the common design but with Porsche logo?

Either way, remote central locking must be aftermarket here, as mine is. As such, it could be of many origins and I'd guess that any decent auto sparks could trace the fault. Possibly easiest to remove all the old original immobiliser and alarm, and any aftermarket additions, and start again? My car had this done for around £300, and now gets an insurance discount with it's modern "plipper" system.

 

[scam75]

My 90 model turbo has script door handles and factory fitted central locking which operates on a key fob, factory also.

Stuart