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Retro Fit X51 Power Kit

YvesD

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I am considering the possibility of having the X51 kit fitted retrospectively and was wondering if anyone has a good contact at OPC Reading I could talk to about it ? Not sure that I would be comfortable with my local OPC doing it as they probably havent done one before whereas Reading get to do lots of 'unusual' jobs.

Sounds like an engine out job to me and another concern therefore would be that everything goes back in without any issues and basically if you didnt know the engine had been out, you wouldnt know.

As for the cost, I know it cant be justified so no lecture on that please !!

Regards

Yves


 
ORIGINAL: YvesD

I am considering the possibility of having the X51 kit fitted retrospectively and was wondering if anyone has a good contact at OPC Reading I could talk to about it ?

Dan in the Service dept. at Reading OPC was my main point of contact for retro-fitting PSE and Sport Shifter. Nice guy and very helpful.
 
Thanks Alex,

Apparently 'Mid Sussex' are quite business like and give good service too.

Would that be the Ipswich dealership and does anyone have experience there ?

By the way, have you seen the X51 piccy on the Porsche UK web site Tequipment section ? Beautiful ! [:)]

Regards

Yves
 
ORIGINAL: YvesD
Apparently 'Mid Sussex' are quite business like and give good service too.

Would that be the Ipswich dealership and does anyone have experience there ?

As I am originally from Ipswich myself I can say with (almost) 100% certainty that Ipswich is not in 'Mid Sussex', it is in fact in Suffolk [:D]
 
ORIGINAL: YvesD

I am considering the possibility of having the X51 kit fitted retrospectively.....

Regards

Yves

Nice one Yves [:)]

If you go ahead with the X51, please let us know how it compares as you would then be best placed to make the comparison. I'm still taking it easy while running the thing in.

Greg
 
Good plan Yves!
I have tinkered about with this idea myself, so good to know I'm not alone!
Go ahead and do it, after all it's YOUR Porsche, so it should go and look the way you want it to, not 'mainstream' thinking.[;)]
I wish you well and very much look forward to your 'back to back' comparison when it's done.
I also very much like the natty carbon fibre intake cover........ooohhh[8D][8D][8D]
Rob[:D]
 
Alex,

Humble apologies, I realised the mistake soon afterwards. Am at a loss as to why I confused Suffolk with Sussex. Woops.

Anyway, the game has moved on, more of which tomorrow.......

Yves
 
Hey Yves, can you let us know what your research into Insurance differences yields?

I have heard that a Ruf conversion on our cars will result in a £9000 a year insurance cost, which is just insane. Insuring a new Turbo (more money and more power) would be vastly cheaper!
 
Alex,

I have looked into this and Direct line who I am with want an extra £100/per annum for any performance mod which increases power by up to 10%. For the C2S then, an extra 35.5bhp can be had before we go into the next bracket. The premium is the same whether you add 1bhp or the full 35 !

Not too bad then.

Yves
 
Wow that IS good! REALLY wish I could retrofit now (but can't as my car is a July 05 build as I've mentioned before).

My Audi S3 chipped to add an extra 25bhp (from 225 to 250) equates to >11% and thus cost me £400 more a year than a standard S3!

I suppose adding the power kit only gives you 7% more BHP, so it's under that cut off point you mentioned. There must be a price big hike after that...

Cheers
 
Alex,

Has your OPC advised that X51 cannot be fitted to MY05 cars ? and if so I wonder why that is ?

I cant open the thread you suggested, do you have to be Renteam member to read it ?

As regards the cost, I have done a deal with Simon Beech at OPC Mid Sussex which frankly I cant believe is true ( £10k is nowhere near the mark ), everything I wanted has been agreed to without quibble inc lots of fussy little things like having my wheels valleted while the car is with them. Nothing is too much trouble for these Guys it seems.

Got a brand spanking new Basalt Black tiptronic Cayenne as a loaner for the week too !

Total 911 magazine did an article on X51 last month which is quite good apparentlty.

Really looking forward to this conversion, only three weeks to wait until she is ready.

Regards

Yves
 

ORIGINAL: YvesD
Has your OPC advised that X51 cannot be fitted to MY05 cars ? and if so I wonder why that is ?
X51 can only be retrofitted to cars made after Aug 2005 according to the Tequipment guide and also Reading OPC.

I cant open the thread you suggested, do you have to be Renteam member to read it ?
Perhaps yes, I will copy some of it for you in next thread"¦

As regards the cost, I have done a deal with Simon Beech at OPC Mid Sussex which frankly I cant believe is true ( £10k is nowhere near the mark ), everything I wanted has been agreed to without quibble inc lots of fussy little things like having my wheels valleted while the car is with them. Nothing is too much trouble for these Guys it seems.
Nowhere near the mark - much higher, or lower?
 
Courtesy of Flash from the Rennteam board:

Got my car back at lunchtime today. First the bad news... there's a Porsche instruction sheet provided with the kit, and it instructs you not to exceed 5000rpm for the first 300 miles. Therefore all I can tell you thus far is restrcited to sub 5000 revs, and I have yet to experience the extra 25 horsepower.

But read on...

I was expecting a barely discernable difference. Wondered if after a week in a courtesy Cayenne whether I'd be able to detect anything. WRONG. Immediately on pulling away from the forecourt the extra torque was obvious. Don't be embaressed if you've ever stalled a 997S, reckon I managed this at least twice a month, of not more often. Well it's the car's fault! The X51 adds LOTS more bottom end torque. The car pulls away cleanly without any clutch from tickover. The only thing harder to stall would come with an automatic gearbox. Sorted!

Out on the open road the kit was a total revelation. There are masses more midrange torque. Previously i found that the 997 only really delivered useful overtaking urge above 5000rpm. Mid-range in gear overtakes were sluggish for a car of this power, and lesser vehicles could prove difficult to catch without dropping down a cog. Not so any more! The car now pulls cleanly from 2000rpm. Yes TWO THOUSAND RPM! There is a VERY noticable step in power at 3000RPM and for the first time you feel yourself being pushed back into the seat like a turbo would. Then at 4000RPM there is an even more noticable step and now you're reall starting to fly. Then just as it touches 5000RPM you hear the beginnings of something more vocal... to be continued...

I already had the PSE fitted, and agree that it does get louder after 6000 miles. The new induction kit seems to add a noticably harder edged sound.

Based on my experience so far, if all the kit did was deliver extra torque, and no extra power then it would STILL be worth it. That feeling of being pushed back into the seat from 3000rpm is addictive. Where the midrange used to be weak, it's now reminisent of a turbo charged car. Anything without a turbocharger would struggle to live with the new midrange urge. I reckon it's midrange is as strong as my TVR Tuscan S was.

Everyone knows that the 996 was a great car, but people here will doubtless remember the shock the first time they experienced the 997, the thought of "WOW this is REALLY sorted". Well the X51 kit delivers something akin to that. It takes an already great car and makes it noticably faster. Going through my head was "WOW this has REALLY sorted out that engine".

The retro fit cost me £10,202.31. And I already had the PSE. Now it's possible to get a GT3 for that kind of spend... but my car is a C4S. So if you want the fastest and best 4WD NON-turbo car that Porsche currently makes, then this kit does fill a niche. IMO the Turbo has too much torque, enough to get it's chasis in a twist. After the X51 my C4S feels absolutely bang on. The perfect balance.

So to me the kit was worth every penny. i would not consider ordering a C4S without one. It would be really interesting to compare the midrange urge of a GT3 to the X51.

The 0-60, 0-100, and top speed figures do not tell the whole story. I would like to see some in gear 30-50, 40-60, 50-70, 60-80 etc times. And perhaps a G-meter to record the difference in accelerative forces through the midrange.

I should have completed the 300 mile running in period by Wednesday. Will report back then as to what happens above 5000rpm.

 
Really!!

Well from new, the powerkit is £8241. So taking off PSE (£1160) that would be £7081.

I would be very suprised if to retrofit it it would take less than 3 hours (at £100/hr) - assuming you already have PSE fitted. So if you got a lot lower than £10k they almost must be doing the labour for nothing!
 
Thats a good write up. Has he posted his post running in findings yet ?

The Guy I spoke to who had this fitted said it runs like the standard car does in sport mode by default and the Sport buton takes the feel to a new level altogether. He also reported that the car feels much faster than the figures suggest.

I suspect Porsche are being very conservative with their claims for this kit and have reported the worst set of testing figures they got running at 10000 feet altitude and on the worst pump fuel they could find too !

Lets see.

Yves
 

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