RS Replicas
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Wow .... that must be loads ...... how could you put a number on it as no officail register for modified/appreciation cars (although have suggested it) ... worldwide must be 1,000's upon 1,000's[&:]
964/993RS/RSR Now trying to be cloned!
I assume that Robin is refering to old conversions.
No one in their right mind would alter an early 911 now but years ago it was quite common to find owners altering them into 2.7RS and, believe it or not, impact buimper cars.
In the mid 1970's, when Porsche cars were not common it seemed sensible to make your 7 or 8 year old car into a copy of the latest car.
No one in their right mind would alter an early 911 now but years ago it was quite common to find owners altering them into 2.7RS and, believe it or not, impact buimper cars.
In the mid 1970's, when Porsche cars were not common it seemed sensible to make your 7 or 8 year old car into a copy of the latest car.
My first Porsche a silver sportomatic 2.4E became this .....
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2310984.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2310984.htm
Ok Des, in my book that's a look alike - and really more 'in the style of', engine's not right, interior's not right , arches are wide but are they the right profile?
And that's the point of my original question to Robin, where do you draw the line, what's a replica?
There's nothing wrong with this sort of car (look alike), the only dodgy thing is if it's being passed off as something it isn't.
Lot of early cars still being modified - particularly early '70 T's, some very, very close to the originals. It's further complicated by many cars evolving. For example Des was the sporto box the first thing changed in your old car?
It's always fun to argue some of this but does it achieve much?
And that's the point of my original question to Robin, where do you draw the line, what's a replica?
There's nothing wrong with this sort of car (look alike), the only dodgy thing is if it's being passed off as something it isn't.
Lot of early cars still being modified - particularly early '70 T's, some very, very close to the originals. It's further complicated by many cars evolving. For example Des was the sporto box the first thing changed in your old car?
It's always fun to argue some of this but does it achieve much?
Agree totally Tony .... some are copies, others modified and others just totally changed to something not even made by Porsche, Gambella etc comes to mind. But none are the original but are still Porsche.
Mine was a Sporto when I sold it ... pity if had been kept original would be worth a whole lot more than the 16K being asked .... like double?
Mine was a Sporto when I sold it ... pity if had been kept original would be worth a whole lot more than the 16K being asked .... like double?
38F3E1
PCGB Member
Three things seem to drive values on these early cars
1) Cost of body work and mechanicals repair/restoration required after you buy the car (drives value down).
2) Originality and matching numbers (originality drives value up) so yes a pucka original 2.4E with sporto or with manual would be worth a lot more.
3) If a replica then replica accuracy (accuracy drives value up). E.g. an accurate 2.7RS replica built on a 73 shell with a proper RS engine (correct cases, crank, pistons, barrels, heads, cams, MFI, etc) and correct running gear is worth a good sum with value of finished car driven really from the cost of the sum of the parts. In fact if you do it well enough you can build a very accurate replica as it's a well known and not difficult blueprint to follow. I know someone who took a 73 2.4E and built an accurate RS replica good enough to get FIA papers on. The budget was over 70K and that was 2 years ago. Cost of original correct parts has risen since.
For the pistonheads car above all three come into play.
I've also noticed the market in original cars and very very good reps has stayed reasonably strong where as the market in lookalikes, evocations, hommages or whatever the correct term is has not. Buyers are very sensitive to future saleability at the moment.
Ian.
PS guess the same applies in the 964RS and 964RS replica market. Ditto 993RS.
1) Cost of body work and mechanicals repair/restoration required after you buy the car (drives value down).
2) Originality and matching numbers (originality drives value up) so yes a pucka original 2.4E with sporto or with manual would be worth a lot more.
3) If a replica then replica accuracy (accuracy drives value up). E.g. an accurate 2.7RS replica built on a 73 shell with a proper RS engine (correct cases, crank, pistons, barrels, heads, cams, MFI, etc) and correct running gear is worth a good sum with value of finished car driven really from the cost of the sum of the parts. In fact if you do it well enough you can build a very accurate replica as it's a well known and not difficult blueprint to follow. I know someone who took a 73 2.4E and built an accurate RS replica good enough to get FIA papers on. The budget was over 70K and that was 2 years ago. Cost of original correct parts has risen since.
For the pistonheads car above all three come into play.
I've also noticed the market in original cars and very very good reps has stayed reasonably strong where as the market in lookalikes, evocations, hommages or whatever the correct term is has not. Buyers are very sensitive to future saleability at the moment.
Ian.
PS guess the same applies in the 964RS and 964RS replica market. Ditto 993RS.
I think the original question would be almost impossible to answer. These type of conversions were started in the 70s and are still going on, I have completed 2 ST style conversions from early cars myself in the last couple of years. I sold a 2.4S recently that was converted to a very full RS spec in 1978, it's currently being converted back to original as there is more value in it that way now. There are also may conversions from later impact bumper cars to early style RS/RSR/ST, some now carrying early IDs as well. They can be difficult to differentiate if done well.
There is a subtle difference between full blown replica conversion and by the virtue of any RS some modifications as a track car and race car.
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Hi Tony , I'm sat at home surveying the icy landscape and not planning to go anywhere....so I will jump in on the thread instead !
That blue car is a strange beast that looks like the result of 'Lord Sugar's would-be apprentices being given the run of Porscheshop's parts bin . More evocative of a 964RS than a 2.7RS especially if you ignore the ducktail.
I dont think its trying to be a replica however , so no-one should get confused unless they know absolutely nothing about 911s.
I reckon its worth 'a little' for a fun car to to track with if the brakes engine and suspension all hold up and the rust has not dined too well. Its a cheerful colour and has a certain jauntiness , the sort of thing Des might find growing on him after a nice bottle of claret [
]........if I found myself at the auction on the day I might even wave my catalogue []....fortunately the estimate and likely reserve is set too high for that to be likely .
Claret indeed Oldtimer ...... Have my own baby back soon from the bodyshop might need some Claret when I get the Bill![&:]
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