S2 Clutch cost

[pauljmcnulty]

I'm sure one of the mods will be able to clarify this issue...

Edd's correct. As it says here:

3.1.2 Name companies, or individuals, in relation to accusations of malpractice, fraud or
other criminal or civil offences

Whilst this is designed to stop malicious accusations, it is possible that even quite innocent stories about poor service can lead to the poster and the Forum owners (i.e. the Club) being open to legal action. We might well win, but no-one wants to take the risk. [&o]

There's also the problem that there is often two sides to a story, and many times we've all jumped in behind a story of bad practice from a company only to find out that it's not completely true or totally out of context.

The best thing, if there's any problem with a business, is to go straight to one of the Club officials. A word from the Directors of a Club with 15000 members will hold more sway than complaining on a forum anyway. We do this if asked, it benefits everyone. []

 

[Copperman05]

Thanks Paul, Patrick at Porschembri will be looking at my gearbox oil and reporting to me, if it is indeed old I will be requesting my money back from the indie that serviced it, if I have no luck then perhaps I may be letting one of you know...

Edd

 

[jasonp]

thanks edd and paul for clarifaction, i am more then happy with my specialist, as i dont touch my baby due to nil mechanical skills, i pop in regularly to have those silly little niggles attended to and its always nice to see the guys, feels more personal [imho] thanks again guys jason p

 

[Copperman05]

Ok as stated in my other thread I have just watched Patrick at Porschembri (who has been really helpful) pour out the oil gearbox oil that had apparently been changed for brand new Mobile oil about 1 week previously. Well not only was the level low, it was so black it didnt look like it had been changed in an age. The stuff was also full of black sludge and little peices of metal. I took some pics, but their stuck on my phone at the moment.

Whilst we were at it, we checked the brake fluid res and the little plastic pot had some debris in the bottom, something I would have thought should be cleaned out during a brake bleed. I also checked the nipples on the disks, two on the near side are slightly wet with fluid which would be indicative of a bleed but the nipples on both the off side calipers were completely dry.

I'm not even sure if the coolant has been changed either, we tested it using a coolant tester and only 2 of the coloured balls floated. I would have thought if your going to change the cooant it should read three.

So it looks like this indie charges for work not carried out. Or at the very least only does only some of the work, the only thing he seemed to have done properly was change the engine oil (cos I would have spotted thst easily), he probably just topped up the brake fluid and bled a couple nipples, I bet the inner nipples are all completely dry.

To say I'm a little angry is an understatement, I'm livid. Glad I got the car back and the gearbox is sorted (by someone else I might add) but this guy is really taking the piss.

Shame I cant name and shame the B****D, but I'm sure it wouldnt take much working out if you read my gearbox thead[].

Edd

 

[944 man]

Naming and shaming and making a simple and supportable statement of fact are two quite different things (although Paul and John might disagree with me here...).

I would like to know who this was and I feel that others should know too. Dishonest traders like this need outing to prevent their dishonesty affecting other owners and members.

 

[jasonp]

i second that, spot on 944man, regards jason p

 

[pauljmcnulty]

Naming and shaming and making a simple and supportable statement of fact are two quite different things (although Paul and John might disagree with me here...).

I would like to know who this was and I feel that others should know too. Dishonest traders like this need outing to prevent their dishonesty affecting other owners and members.

Well, whatever people think we have to live within the current rule framework. That means no naming and shaming, as with most other forums at the moment.

Trouble is, one man's statement of "fact" might have a completely different perspective if we knew the whole story and the other side of the argument. (Not in Edd's case, just in general)

We've been caught out before with people posting maliciously, and that's one of the things that's led to the current rules. I'm sure that anyone who has an issue with a company would discuss it off-forum via telephone or e-mail anyway. [8|]

 

[zcacogp]

Paul,

The politics of running forums, eh? It comes up all the time, and the 'official' line is always the right one. It makes good sense when you look at it from a truly objective viewpoint.

However, am I right in saying that those things which have been proven in a court can be reported on here? So, for instance (and I am not suggesting that this will happen), if Edd was to sue the aforementioned indie-of-(possible)-dishonesty, who lost the case in a court, then could he report it as a fact on here?


Oli.

 

[pauljmcnulty]

ORIGINAL: zcacogp

Paul,

The politics of running forums, eh? It comes up all the time, and the 'official' line is always the right one. It makes good sense when you look at it from a truly objective viewpoint.

However, am I right in saying that those things which have been proven in a court can be reported on here? So, for instance (and I am not suggesting that this will happen), if Edd was to sue the aforementioned indie-of-(possible)-dishonesty, who lost the case in a court, then could he report it as a fact on here?


Oli.

Hi Oli,

As you say, politics, objective, it is a minefield. [&o]

Regarding the "proven in court" argument, then yes. If one was to report totally objectively and entirely in context a court ruling then it would probably be acceptable.

The bits in itallics show how difficult it is to know whether someone is being entirely honest even when reporting a proven court case. It was exactly this that got us into the whole rule-rewrite last year, when we allowed what we thought was a 100% valid court ruling to be posted and it transpired that we only had half the facts of the matter.

Unfortunately people see the forum as they see a casual conversation in the pub. The fact is that what you post here is a permanent record in the public domain and can lead to problems for all of us. So, we all be a little careful and considerate, and everyone is happy!

 

[zcacogp]

Paul,

Thanks.

OK then chaps, we've got the answer. Edd, you need to <RedneckModeOn>sue the g0ddam sh tty ass of that sunofabitch, get every damned dime he's got stuffed up there<RedneckModeOff>, then report back on here in a totally objective manner, exactly what happened entirely in context so that we know who this particular low-life is and can then avoid him!

That's going to be pricey. So let's pass the hat 'round. More than happy to accept cash, cheques (made payable to 'zcacogp beer fund') postal orders, foreign currency (no ZimbShillings tho') and gold ingots (the bigger the better, thanks). []


Oli.

 

[Copperman05]

Haha, yeah. Or more simply I could just accidently reply the culprit to those who PM me privately...[:-]

Edd

 

[944 man]

Id be extremely interested Edd. I wont disclose the crooks identity here, although I wont keep it to myself either. One job could have been overlooked, but in this case theyre plainly dishonest.