Service charges are now stupid.

[Twinfan]

Ralph says the GT cars are 20k though, as per his earlier post:

"I have been having issues with "My Porsche" app and one of the apparent errors was counting down mileage to next service based on 20k mile service intervals. It turns out that the app is correct (i.e. 20k miles) and the Porsche website and documentation that show 12k miles are wrong.

All been confirmed by Porsche Germany"

Let us know what your OPC say

 

[MrDemon]

12k on the cup engine cars I thought like the 991.2 GT3, 992 GT3, 4RS SRS, speedster etc.

IF the UK Porsche website is wrong what hope do with have dealing with 19 year old girls at OPC's ?
Again nothing in the 4RS drivers manual. regarding servicing.

I am paying at 4k miles to get the red top stuff swapped into my 4RS anyway. The green car I might just reset the computer and wait till the cars 2 years old and cancle my 10k oil change I won't have that car on it's 3 year birthday anyway.
I am done with modern Porsche after 2025 and done with track days and OPC's after next year.

I did ask for a 992.2 touring but still the games, this is what I was told when trying to order one. OPC: "All I can tell you is any GT car is build in very small numbers and clients have to apply to purchase one where lots of factors are taken into consideration by our senior management team."
So I will just switch brands in 2026. Done with the OPC bullshit and 5x costs. I regret buying the 4RS it's a very flawed car wish I had got an F8 or the 992 GT3, would have been cheaper to own over 2 years and more usable.
Now I need to buy some shocks to drive the thing in 2025 as the cars crap on it's oem rates. To a point it's in storage under cover till it gets some SSR shocks fitted.
I wonder how long it will take Tyrone to swap out the oem shit

4RS is a dog of car to drive imo out the box. I did take this up with Germany, I was offered a free geo, that's it. At least no PADM to go wrong (hence binning off the 4.0 GTS after its 3 years old) !!

 

[Twinfan]

Yep, 12k on the Cup engine sounds right.

Interesting to hear you say you regret buying the 4RS, I got that impression from your posts but it's a shame to hear it. Having been out in a few of each I was always of the opinion that the 992 GT3 would have been my choice if I was buying but they're too expensive for me, and a similar price to GT4RS which then need shocks adding to them. Adding Manthey shocks (before the price rise) to my GT4 was my best option as I prefer the Cayman platform, plus I get to keep my manual gearbox.

I think T is planning on shocks and rear toe links I think, there's no way he's staying OEM!

 

[MrDemon]

seems a thing I said it's also macans lol the system is screwed up.

Macan S Oil change between services - Page 1 - Front Engined Porsches - PistonHeads UK

My reason for NOT buying the 922 GT3 over the 4RS was, a new one will come out and has done (maybe it's worse then the outgoing model now though) . bigger tyres, less nice on the road with double wishbones and those front wide tyres, a lot more costs if you do track it, but NO mods or shocks needed on the 992 GT3, the car just works. but they were £180k plus when I got my 4RS at £155k with WP and Mags under list, it really isa great looking and high spec car.
And vs the F8 I thought the F8 would cost me £30k ish to own for a year, but in hindsite the 4RS will be more now.

Reasons for the 4rS , it's one of one, no old or new ones planed, it's small, this is a BIG reason on UK B roads. tyres are cheaper by a long way. Long term value will hold up imo as one of one.

I do think the 4RS will make a mega car with a set of shocks, but that's 8.6k plus fitting again on top of the £155k spend, really did not want to mod it.
Chris W bought the right car imo. the 991.2 RS iconic car and firm values and no OPF's on the early ones , I should have kept my 991.2 GT3. doh.

SSR is now the only real option on the 4RS but it is a top outfit, same 3 way shocks as yours as it happens but now with FAL and much softer rates then OEM 4RS shocks or MR 4RS shocks.

Maybe when those are fitted I will love the car.

 

[Twinfan]

Good luck, hope it works out for yourself and T.

I'm sticking with my '4 now it's all sorted and handling brilliantly, plus I've got an excuse as to why I'm not fast enough on track as it's not an RS

 

[MrDemon]

718 GT4 is the perfect track car imo with those shocks, I would remap it though if I had one 440+ BHP for £1k seems too nice to not do and would close the 4RS gap quite a lot as it unlocks the torque cap put on it by Porsche.
I have tracked mine vs 718 GT4's they are not much slower down the straights really and if it's a bumpy straight you are faster in a non RS lol.

T will have to relearn how to drive a faster car, it's not easy as just having a faster car ! you go 10/15mph down the big straights faster, but that means braking "earlier", and between bends you tend to have to brake more when the non RS GT4 you can carry speed better as much less braking to do over all.
It's really a hard car to drive very fast and under steer is a big issue on this platform with the extra power. WOT lifts the front causing under steer, when I tracked my 718 Spyder, or my 981 GT4 I had none of these issues after a nice geo.
It can be fun as it's a lot harder but also frustrating. Most people think faster car = much faster laps and you just gain that speed as it's a faster car, when in real life it's not that easy to pull it all together due to the much higher workload needed to get round a lap in a faster car.

I am sure we all all meet up in 2025 and have loads of fun on joint track days.

 

[Twinfan]

Quite likely I would have thought, bound to bump into you somewhere after all these years

 

[911hillclimber]

Almost depressing to read.
Just what are Porsche today?

I have an old 987.2, 2.9/2009, 1 option added (lights) rest basement spec. now in it's 7th year with me.
Currently at 85K and used a lot thank you.

Now serviced at Zuffenhaus independent, simple as chips. 6 people there with years of experience.
Call/email Paul the boss, or his son Chris.
Remind them of what they have done in the past few visits, and they tell you what is needed and how much the job will be, all based on the miles, the age and how I drive it.

You then book it in and you can wait if reasonable for the job to be done in comfort upstairs. You get at least 2 coffees.

Job done, you get a verbal report of advisories or 'sweet as a nut' comments and a proper stamp in the Service Book. A nice sight for the next owner.

You pay what you were quoted and see them again in 1 year's time.

KISS

 

[MrDemon]

Sadly I need a warranty on a 718 due to PADM issues.
the small print for renewal of warranty is now the last service needs to be an OPC service stamp. I don’t take my 997 to OPC’s.

 

[Greenman986S]

I've just got rid of my 718. One of the reasons was that the price of servicing at an OPC has become unacceptable.

Personally I resent your implied assertion that people who question OPC service and maintenance costs as being cheeseparers.

Get off the fence and make your mind up

 

[911hillclimber]

It is certainly correct to make your mind up on 'Value for Money'.
The OPC is an expensive overhead, but a decent Skoda dealer is not too far behind and the service costs are much lower.

A minor service is drop the oil and dispose of it, remove the cartridge (maybe means removing some underfloor cover?) and new filter and oil, just mobile 1.

Tech has to get the car from the front car park, onto the ramp, do the job and to the car wash/ front area. Bit of paper/ computer work whilst the cold oil is warmed and the oil level checked.
Guess they may check a few other things and advise if work needed?

This is the same as Skoda do on my 2 Skodas, about £170 each car.
I wince at that, but a specialist Indie is not much cheaper!

 

[MrDemon]

my VW is £185 they have to do the same thing bar the oils a bit cheaper say £50 cheaper. I have swapped that for an AMG so that will be interesting come service time.

Indy in the main ie the 3 or 4 big ones also a rip off these days.

 

[Twinfan]

Not quite the same as a Skoda dealer as for a Porsche OPC. The standards and requirements for the dealership are quite different in terms of style, fit and finish etc and have to be up to Porsche standards. That costs money. As do the electric super chargers (I guess Skoda may have these too?), Porsche-specific diagnostic laptops which cost a fortune etc. Then there are all the extras Porsche OPCs have to buy - clothing stock, tickets for Porsche events etc so I think a Porsche OPC's overheads will be a fair bit higher.

However, service pricing has definitely gone sky high of late. Having a good relationship with your OPC can be very useful in that regard, as can shopping around and being prepared to travel a bit to get a deal.

 

[MrDemon]

I think you might be shocked what a Porsche sales manager or buyer gets over a VW one it's not the service laptop lol it's the sky high wages.

 

[Twinfan]

Well, that as well obviously!

 

[MrDemon]

This is what I got from my OPC on why it's due at just over 9k miles of course this is bullshit and I would say an all out lie.

OPC = "As your vehicle has a gasoline particulate filter, it does require oil changes as and when the vehicle deems it necessary"

I have canceled it now and will just get my 2 years service done at 2 years cannot be arsed with it. I can prob get the lights turned off on my laptop.

 

[Twinfan]

So that's different to the annual/10k rule then - they're clearly making it up as they go along

 

[michael.shipp]

I thought Porsche back in the day were gerat value to run. A service every 2 years, used to be about £250, then £600 etc etc.

In my 718 GTS it needs an oil change at 10k miles, so after 1 year (NOT two year any more) . OPC quote for an oil change, ie NO service work, £607 lol , then it will need a service at 2 years old at £1200+

Their prices today are crazy.

My Golf was £185 all in fora full service and both are VW group, so thats a lot of Porsche TAX. oil would be £76 filter £41 If I bought some myself. So £490 labour.

That price is similar to what I paid in October at OPC Tonbridge when I had an oil & filter change on my Cayman Style Edition (£487). To be fair, the dealership said it didn't need an oil service but as it had just reached its run-in mileage I decided to have one for peace of mind. I'm probably a bit old fashioned in this sense but I've always insisted on an old & filter change at the end of the run-in period for every new car I've had and I've never experienced oil consumption between services subsequently. A steep price, though.

 

[pse_SC]

zzzzzzzzz

 

[ianthow]

I thought Porsche back in the day were gerat value to run. A service every 2 years, used to be about £250, then £600 etc etc.

In my 718 GTS it needs an oil change at 10k miles, so after 1 year (NOT two year any more) . OPC quote for an oil change, ie NO service work, £607 lol , then it will need a service at 2 years old at £1200+

Their prices today are crazy.

My Golf was £185 all in fora full service and both are VW group, so thats a lot of Porsche TAX. oil would be £76 filter £41 If I bought some myself. So £490 labour.

So the car is just one year old. In my old days, cars used to get an early oil change at low miles because oil would become contaminated during the 'bedding in' period of a new engine. Perhaps your Porsche dealer recognises the wisdom of these old ways, or perhaps Porsche themselves are now recommending a first oil change at 1 year (see here for the service schedule on a regular 718 in California; https://www.rusnakpasadenaporsche.com/service/service-tips/porsche-718-maintenance-schedule/. Contrast that with the UK 2 year interval).
I assume you received a quote from the dealer, did you question it? You may have been quoted a full service (which, at two years, is basically an oil and filter change plus new cabin filter and a full inspection, unless the 4.0 GTS needs more). Always challenge any quote that looks wrong, asking for a detailed breakdown. You might be surprised and either be given a discount or realise that there is more to it than you expected.
Modern 'long-life' oils may be good for two years in a new engine but I am sceptical about two year intervals as mileages increase. I have long been an advocate of annual oil changes, regardless of milage. This is insurance against future engine problems (I don't take out extended warranties). I remember the 'good old days' when oil and filter changes used to be at 3000 mile intervals.
If you are not willing to live with the real world costs of running a high performance car, sell it on and trundle around in your Golf.