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Sick of sliding around

ORIGINAL: VanhireBoys

I have Bridgestone Turanza ER30's on mine and very happy.. Wet or dry really good...

Anybody else got them on ...?

Had Pzero Pirellis and they were not great... Especially as they were very easy to puncture and terrible in the wet [:'(]
I have the Turanza ER30's but on the 05 Honda CR-V, not the 968CS! They are good (dry/wet/muddy field) and they definitely turn in better than the previous set. However the Bridgestone site says IIRC that they are from the Executive Range (ER - geddit!) and are very quiet and particularly good on motorways. However I wouldn't use them on the Porker as I don't think that's what they're designed for. I'm very happy with the SO2's on the 968, wet or dry.

Having said all that, if I could get a set of the ER30's for £140 (which is what I paid for the Honda set) I might just give them a go. [:D]
 
Its posted elsewhere by a 944 owner, but this should be read by anyone running R888, R1R or RA1 Toyo tyres in winter conditions...

http://marktg.toyotires.com/file/TireStorage.pdf

sounds like you have to overwinter your car in your living room with these fitted !

 
Yup, a friend using Toyo R888 ended on the roof in a potato field after exiting a small village in the rain at 30 mph.
 
Sorry to hear that Thom
I think its unrealistic to expect a 280bhp rear driver, with turbo characteristic torque delivery not to "slide around" on wet and greasy roads. Audi, Subaru, Mitzi etc have a cure for it, but when you get a dose of understeer (except Mitzi) for a few months that is sickening too.
I try to remember the 951 will step out if treated carelessly in the wrong conditions.
Contisports work Ok for me, but I may try Toyo's some day as a few of the folk here with a good knowledge of these cars speak highly of them.
George
944T
964C2
 
Actually I disagree. On Dunlop SSRs and with more than 280bhp and a big and laggy turbo mine was pretty benign in wet and greasy conditions. I'd put that down to the tyres being not too bad in those conditions (for track tyres especially) and more significantly the KW suspension as KW seems to find traction where there was previously none.
 
Thanks George.
Luckily his car was undamaged apart from the front of the roof and the windshield, and he took the opportunity to have it repaired with a non-sunroof roof panel, to complete the track bias of his car, along with having a new paint [:)]
 
Thom, an excuse for a roof skin I suppose.......[8|] the pillars are strong.

Fen, if you drove my car you wouldn't disagree, - i'd guess the differences between your setup and mine are, your tyres are 10%ish better (I have SSR's on a 964 and like them - despite a comment re' wet conditions on the sidewall), your suspension is more compliant (what I hear of KW - no experience), your torque curve is more progressive at the bottom of the curve (the lag you refer to) even if it continues way higher than mine at the top.
Therefore you have 3 characteristics which complement traction.

Mine will break away because the std turbo spins up quickly once it feels a draught - the torque at 2700rpm feels like 140lb/ft and at 3300rpm it feels like 300lb/ft. (MBC set at 17psi, - At 14psi the car is very different.)
My M030 is "65% stiff", and the rear arms are not held rigid like the elephant racing mounts I recall you having? so my rear wheels are probably doing a bit of torque steering at peak torque. If you add in a camber change when overtaking, I guess its understandable that my car is more unsettled than yours?
I am assuming we both have a LSD.
My old 220 car with an open diff, small turbo, narrower tyres and no M030 was a nicer drive in the wet - although its a few years ago and I may just have more wit now[:)]
I'd be interested in your views on this - with tidy early 996 turbo's dropping into the £20's, 4 wheel drive, 400+bhp, water cooled turbo reliability, good brakes, cheap to service, reasonable weight, is there any point in chasing "big" performance in a 951 any more, - apart from the balance maybe?
George

944T
964


 
Ive been running Falken 452s for a while on my 300zx, and i was pretty happy with them UNTIL I decided to splash out on a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 2's, MY GOD what a difference. Whatever the weather, they stick like the preverbial to a wet blanket, and if your brave enough to push them to their limits, theyre soooo progressive.

Yes theyre expesive, but theyre worth it in my book
 
3 fair comments, George, and I don't doubt your's might be a handful. My point was really that it isn't a given that it would be though. Actually these days mine has the ultimate wet weather traction system - no motive power.
 
Didn't your indie experience a rather exciting moment in your car Fen? I have a recollection that was ice related though and there's not much bar studded tyres that would help there!
 
He did, but as you say it was on black ice. It was also on the 18" wheels with 265 Michelin Pilot Sports as I recall.
 
Cheers Fen, though it was something like that.

Btw I can now highly not recommend having front tyres that are made from an impossibly hard serbian rubber and are 3cm narrower than the rears. It's highly amusing to be able to crank on additional lock mid corner as it makes absolutely no difference to cornering attitude [:D].
 

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