Silver Rose

[Andrewk]

in sufffolk

 

[Andrewk]

trying to upload from iPhone which i cannot seem to do and not sure how to add on here

 

[Andrewk]

so frustrating, all images are over 1500kb

 

[944Scott]

Interesting where in Suffolk are you?

 

[Andrewk]

ipswich

 

[944Scott]

Ah only an hour down the road from me []

 

[Waylander]

You need to link to an external image company like google images

 

[944Scott]

If you need a second pair of hands with anything feel free to give me a shout.

 

[Frenchy]

1000 Silberosse (silver rose) coloured cars produced, 635 customer specified colour cars produced, I know of black, red, white, and zermatt silver but you could order any colour you wanted.

Lightweight windscreen, MO30 suspension, CS forged wheels, split rear seats, 10 speaker sound system, optional Turbo front wing graphic, lsd with oil cooler, non sunroof (except USA).

Some other stuff, all 1988 cars and M758 option.

90 odd came to the UK, around 45 left........so quite rare.

 

[PSH]

1000 Silberosse (silver rose) coloured cars produced, 635 customer specified colour cars produced, I know of black, red, white, and zermatt silver but you could order any colour you wanted.

Lightweight windscreen, MO30 suspension, CS forged wheels, split rear seats, 10 speaker sound system, optional Turbo front wing graphic, lsd with oil cooler, non sunroof (except USA).

Some other stuff, all 1988 cars and M758 option.

90 odd came to the UK, around 45 left........so quite rare.

IIRC there's 18 left on the road according to the DVLA......The only 'silver Rose' that I've ever seen was owned by Steve Cox...I see many people calling their turbo an S because it has the options...this is not correct, only 88 model year produced any 'S' models and as Jim has stated the numbers were very low.

Pete

 

[Frenchy]

Porsche produced a Turbo S supplement detailing the technical specifications of the cars, Porsche part number WKD 495 021 it may still be available from main dealers ?

 

[blade7]

IMO if Porsche had stuck to the original 1000 Silver Rose painted cars the 'S' would have been worth some premium. Every 88/89 250 that came after is for the Anoraks/speculators to ponder.

 

[PSH]

No speculation required, if the Vin doesn't fit in the range below, it's not an 'S'.. 88 model year only

[ul][*]Rest of World: WPOZZZ95ZJN100001 – 1875[*]USA: WPOAA295_JN150001 – 1874[/ul]

 

[blade7]

I'm aware of the ink on the VIN Pete.

 

[Frenchy]

M758 option car MY 1988 means it is a Turbo S.

Silverose or any other colour, the 964 RS came in a variety of colours as did all the Porsche " specials"

964 jubi most are viola metallic but not all, again customer wishes.

 

[blade7]

M758 option car MY 1988 means it is a Turbo S.

Compared to an 89 car with all the MO30 bits whats the real difference ? Porsche made a bit of a nonsense of the S when they offered all the parts as options.

 

[PSH]

M758 option car MY 1988 means it is a Turbo S.

Compared to an 89 car with all the MO30 bits whats the real difference ? Porsche made a bit of a nonsense of the S when they offered all the parts as options.

I would hazard a guess that only recognised 'S' models have the lightened front windscreen Jim mentioned, i'm sure that there are other subtle parts, Jim(Frenchy) can probably answer this question best

regards

Pete

 

[blade7]

How many still have the windscreen, and how much lighter was it anyway. I'd expect most buyers of a new Turbo S in 1988 thought they were getting something out of the ordinary. Maybe Porsche were taken by surprise by the demand or intended all along to option most of the S parts for the 89 model year.

 

[944Turbo]

Around 10 years ago I got interested in buying a 944 turbo, back then an 88 turbo S was worth little more than the 89- version. Fast forward to today and investors/speculators have hyped up the S, though the money is in original unmodified cars..... .

Usually less as the colour / interior combo is a bit marmite though there are few late ones in alternate colour combos. I still don't see them as being worth much more than nay other late turbo, but then that might just be me! I did buy my bridge spoiler coupe rather than a baltic blue S as I preferred it at the time with its nicer interior and sunroof, given the choice between the 2 today I would probably do the same!

Tony

The only option I'd have liked from the S was the sunroof delete. It also seemed a bit odd the S didn't come with sports seats or supposedly forged conrods.

money my dear boy, money, plus Porsche tend to 'heavily overengineer' new models and then as the dust settles and with no signs of any weakness in their design look at ways of reducing costs, I think you'll find this is the same reason that the early N/A models also came with 'forged rods'

Not entirely true as there were many changes to later cars,

Off the top of my head

After 86 ABS brakes were introduced.

Method of tensioning the belts changed

various ECU changes about 1990 on there is a diagnostic port in the footwell

I cant remember which years but there are various designs of factory sump baffle / crank scraper that got better through the years.

The 88 on cars (including the S) had the various changes - bigger turbo, bigger brakes, different wheels and then later on 10 speaker stereo, bridge spoiler etc.

I think the number of modded cars running around proves that Forged conrods were over engineered for the standard car. The factory ones were also very heavy - not sure how they compare in weight to the cast ones used later but certainly compared to modern aftermarket items. The cast ones have been known to fail but usually around 400Bhp which is a healthy chunk over the standard 220/250Bhp

Not a massive engineering exercise but they changed to 180mph speedo.

Tony

 

[blade7]

I've read the 'S' was assembled at Stuttgart and they weren't quite as well built as the Neckarsulm cars.