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slightly O/T Porsches at Spa 26th May

Yes, I need to buy one [;)] If you see a good one, or hear of a good one for sale feel free to pm. I have been hesitating between a 911 or a Falcon for these sorts of events. Both look like immense fun, in a different way.

BTW do you have roll-bars on these, or are they true to original specs? I still need to understand how this crazy Dutch with the red 911 gets it so sideways all around Spa. From your experience, is this level of oversteer that easy to produce, was he working hard at it, or did he set-up his car with solid shocks, positive camber, rear brake bias and huge rear roll bars? [:D][:D][:D]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrePIvGjRes

Edited to add (again) the video in question.
ORIGINAL: h_____

You will have to be quick, they are getting attractive. What amazed me was how intense the driving experience is (at least on L crossplies). I did 30mins and was knackered. Plus my arms were like I had been karting, simply due to the amount of correction on the wheel required. It took a while before I could do the bend before blanchimont flat, as the car slid, and it felt a bit hairy (we were doing about 110mph at this point).

Also talking to people in the paddock driving thinks like 904s or 2L prototype cars, they all seemed to have a 2.0L 911 car for fun.
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I'm at work so cant see the youtube, but I'm betting its the Dual '65 911, in quali for spa 6hours. I cant comment on the spec of that car, as I've never seen it, and still dont understand the letter of the law in detail. What I can say (and I'm no expert by a very, very long way) is....

They do have roll bars, they can have adj. bias valves, but you dont have to work hard to get to it to oversteer. No doubt the dual car is set up to oversteer easily, but its the tyres that make the difference, the crossplies, simply dont have stiffness in the sidewall, and develop grip with a larger slip angle than radials, so they roll easily, so long as you have the balance, its really easy to induce oversteer, in fact the approach seems to be get the car sliding as early as possible and then drive on the throttle through it, easy to say, harder to do. Both Olvier and I would trail brake into corners to the point that the back starts to move then get on the gas to try to balance the car out and keep the angles up.

As noted above, the car would slide and roll on almost any direction change, the trick seems to be to manage it. As a result corners become a flurry of wheel movement, to wind lock on and off and keep some sort of constant radius. The dual car seems to require opposite lock to keep it turning, where as Oliver's car seemed to like just some lock winding off.

By no means can I drive these cars fast, the guys that do seem to drive more oversteer than I was comfortable with. A couple of other notes, no need for positve camber (at least static), the weight transfer should result in a positve camber if thats desired. Plus Oliver has spent a lot of time developing his car, much like a 964 RS (there we go - relevent content!), a good car on track takes a lot of work to get the setup right and have it truly sorted.

If you do buy a car and intend to race it, get checked by someone that is respected and knows them well - I don't know them well enough to tell a good one.
 
Thanks that is very interesting. I know de Ville de Goyet in Belgium and he pedalled these early cars very well--and prepare them himself. I think he has stopped racing now but he used to take people around Spa for demo laps that looked much like the Dual car. I will keep looking and have a few peole looking for me as well. Trick seems to be to find a recently overhauled and FIA compliant car. I drove my former 2.2T and 2.4S on some hard rubber and it was great fun. Need to try one out with crossplies.
 
A glimpse of Hugh and Oliver's races has just been posted on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6d4jGx_63U

including their car! [:)]
 
Phil - I will keep eyes posted, but would have trust the key UK preparers. I would suggest buying a fresh built car, and accepting you will need to spend a chunk of cash to get it sorted, or buy a known proven with recent results car.

Chris - oddly enough, it snowed on the wednesday!!! Can you believe it, and it settled. Thankfully cleard for the weekend. Although Oliver said that driving the 964 in the wet helped him with wet lines in his race.

Steve - cool, will look at this later. Watching the lead 4 cars go through Eau Rouge was awesome.
 
Nice Vid Steve, but was that race footage?

It looked like a parade lap, only with less cars spinning off! [:D]
 
The very first sequence is the start of the race I did, clearly a rolling start (as most classic races are), the rest is race footage, may not look quick, but the RSRs at the front were doing 2:49s, which isnt exactly slow!

Thanks for finding Steve, we feature a bit at the start....more to follow when I get my photos sorted.
 
Here, some more footage, looks a little quicker.... again my race and you catch a glimpse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bwct2VPIZU

 
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