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unclewinks

unclewinks

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check the option codes for the car,it will tell you if it has been fitted. ask the dealer about the codes,if he does not know then I would be reluctant to buy from them Regards Paul
 
I believe that I can get an OPC to look up the options that were fitted to the car, if I give them the VIN. However, if the exhaust was a retro fit and not logged on the system then it will not show up. The car is on my shortlist and I would feel better about it if I can identify a Sports vs standard for the S.
 
Hi,

I am looking at buying a 997 with a PSE already fitted. I have been offered one by a 'specialist', who claims it has a sports exhaust fitted from new. It doesn't have a dashboard switch and I am sceptical whether it has one at all. I have driven the car and it sounds good but I am not sufficuently familiar with what it should sound like as my current car is a Boxster and the sound is totally different (to say the least!).

My question is two fold; is there a PSE that does not have a dashboard switch and if so, is there a way of telling definitively if it has one. For instance, is there a difference in the diameter of the exhaust outlet pipe (as opposed to the end finish pipe/tip). The car is an 05 reg C2S.

I have checked the forum for previous articles and can't find any references to this, so I apologise if this is a topic that has been brought up before. I realise that I can have a genuine PSE fitted, with a switch on the dash, by an OPC, for about £1,500 but I am loath to buy a car advertised as having one only to find later that this is not the case.

Any help or pointers that anyone can offer will be much appreciated.

Thanks
Andy
 
AFAIK Porsche has never sold a PSE "without" a dash switch (certainly on 996 and 997 models). When the specialist says it has a sports exhaust, it could well be a 3rd party one. I suggest calling an OPC as you say to check the options on the car via the VIN.
 
Mine does have a sports exhaust fitted from new at the factory and it does NOT have separate sports exhaust button. It comes in when I select the Sports mode button which also select the PASM. Not with the car at the moment so I cannot recall the exact name of the button!
 
Just look at the tail pipes. If it's one small and one big round pipe for each side = PSE 2 equal round tips on each side or ovals = standard exhaust
 
Lots of info here, thanks everyone. I have seen cars with Sports Chrono Plus packages that have two equal size exhaust tips on each side but they always have buttons marked "SPORT" or a graphic of twin pipes. The car I am considering has equal size tips and no button whatsoever! I am going to ask for the VIN to check the option codes with the OPC and also ask the dealer if it is an aftermarket non OEM part. Please keep the responses coming and I will also feedback when I have some further info. This is an interesting topic that so far has not yielded any really definitve answer. If and when I get to the bottom of this, perhaps future prospective 997 owners may benefit from it.
 
I have spoken to Porsche Cars, who have given me the options that the car came with, from the factory, and it did not have a sports exhaust! Porsche Sports Exhausts are denoted by one small end tip and one bigger and they are switchable. The switch, for the system, has an exhaust graphic on it if there is no Sport Chrono or the word "Sport" on it if Sport Chrono is fitted. The dealer says that he cannot lower the price for the car, even though it is not as advertised. As I want a car with a Sports Exhaust I now have to decide whether to spend even more money than originally planned or to wait for another car! Decisions, decisions... Thanks to everyone who responded to this thread.
 
ORIGINAL: STiG911 Correct! If a car has PSE and Sports Chrono, then PSE is activated with the 'Sports' Button.
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I have PSE (as standard on GTS), equally sized round exhaust pipes, sports chrono and a separate switch for exhaust loudness
 
Gen1 cars had different size tips and no separate button. Gen2 cars had foreskin-style tips and a separate button.
 
ORIGINAL: AndySmith I have spoken to Porsche Cars, who have given me the options that the car came with, from the factory, and it did not have a sports exhaust! Porsche Sports Exhausts are denoted by one small end tip and one bigger and they are switchable. The switch, for the system, has an exhaust graphic on it if there is no Sport Chrono or the word "Sport" on it if Sport Chrono is fitted. The dealer says that he cannot lower the price for the car, even though it is not as advertised. As I want a car with a Sports Exhaust I now have to decide whether to spend even more money than originally planned or to wait for another car! Decisions, decisions... Thanks to everyone who responded to this thread.
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If the dealer is saying it has a Sports Exhaust and it doesn't, then either they don't know much about the cars they are selling and what else could not be telling you? I know it could be an honest mistake but I'm sure if you really want a PSE, then I'd wait for the right one to come along. I for one bought my GEN2 997 with the standard exhaust as it wasn't available from launch but when I did have it fitted I appreciated the noise it made with a few 000 miles on the clock. You can also disconnect the cable which controls drive-by noise levels. Much better :) Good luck finding the right car.
 
Bit of an update ... Armed with all this new information, I researched the cost of having a PSE retro fitted. There is a thread on Pistonheads where various people have done this with OPC's and their prices ranged from £1200 upwards. So, I rang an OPC (bit unfair to name and shame here) today and was given the following, to supply and fit to a manual geared 997 C2S: To a car without Sport Chrono - including wiring and dash switch - £2,956.70 - OMG!! To a car that has Sport Chrono and therefore an existing switch and wiring - £2,500 After I told them prices charged by OPC Bolton, Colchester, and Silverstone, they agreed to go away and take another look at the charges. Why is there such disparity between OPC's? I understand that they are all different companies but surely their charges should be the same or very very similar. Has anyone had a PSE retro fitted? If so, perhaps they could share their experience wrt pricing and where they had the work done.
 
ORIGINAL: Ekona Gen1 cars had different size tips and no separate button. Gen2 cars had foreskin-style tips and a separate button.
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I have a 997 C2 2 with standard PSE and 'foreskin' tips, but they don't retract!!! Perhaps mine has been circumcised![:D] For what it's worth, I have lived with the PSE for some time now and am still unimpressed with the sound. I searched painstakingly for a car with the PSE and don't think it sounds as good as my old Cayman used to with a standard exhaust on full chat. Appreciate sound proofing, engine location etc and that the 911 probably sounds better to a pedesrtian. I have tried disconnecting the lead and don't think it makes that much difference, but maybe it does at certain revs (drive by noise regs etc). Apparently, disconnecting the lead, you have to regularly reconnect to stop the valve sticking in the future though? If I was looking at buying another 911 now, I probably would not bother looking for one with the sports exhaust and look at one of the many aftermarket systems out there and retro fit. I am sure one of these would fullfill my expectations. Warranty considerations with this not withstanding. Initially, I think my expectations were over the top. I was anticipating some howling behemoth to shame an Aston or Ferrari and it is just not the case with the manufacturers PSE. Sounds nice, especially on tick over when you 'hit the button' but not brilliant IMHO. Just my thoughts but enjoy whatever you decide though.
 
Rev a Panamera GTS and it sounds like a NASCAR! The most immense sports exhaust sound I have ever heard from a Porsche!
 
Hi Andy, My "sports exhaust" is original equipment fitted to the car from new, and has two different size tail-pipes on each bank... I have 2 buttons in the cockpit. One says "Sport" the other button shows a graphic of a "shock absorber". Press the "sport" button and it engages the sports suspension to firm ( denture removal mode [:(] ) and the throttle response is tighter and the sports exhaust is activated. At this point I normaly press the button showing the shock absorber. This de-selects the sports suspension mode. Then I just enjoy the tighter throttle response and the enhanced exhaust note, as this still leaves the exhaust engaged in noise mode. The exhaust is failrly noisy up to about 3k rpm, then for drive by regs it goes quite. Keep going up to a about 5k rpm then after that all hell breaks loose as the sports exhaust kicks back in again[:D] .. wicked noise especially in tunnels [8D] ..... I have driven my car without the sports exhaust fitted, ie with a standard exhaust that was fitted for a couple of days ( I wont go in to detail why just now, long story ) but noticed that when the the sports exhaust was refitted, and with it left selected in "normal" mode, the sports exhaust definitely sound much more deep and bassy than the standard system.. Hope you find this helpful ........ cheers Mike
 
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