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Steve Wong ECU Chips

ORIGINAL: Iain Davis

Er, so it would impact on performance.

I'm actually thinking of putting a 1.1 Fiesta engine in mine as it's only the looks I'm after. Does anyone know if they fit.
Fit???!!! With the extra space created, you could live in there aswell. If you sold your house then you'd really save some money [:D][:D][:D]

As I've said elsewhere, You can live in your car, but you can't race your house....... Now your 1.1 pop engine would really kill two birds with one stone[;)]
 
Surely if you live in your car it becomes your house? In which case you can race it.

Anyway...living in the engine compartment with a 1.1 - that's just crazy talk![:D]
 
All I know is that it goes in the "right" end of the car............

I need to take my medicine
 
Iain,
The chip would still offer some improvement over standard if you wanted to continue to use 95 octane, and could / should provide better economy (though no guarantees on that score), but it seems a shame not to take advantage of the extra oomph that running 98 octane will allow. Each to their own I suppose !

Jamie
 
STOP PRESS............

It turns out that Steve might not have actually sent us the right chips. The first set he sent out got lost in the post and he has just reviewed the coding on the replacements he sent out and thinks that he sent us an experimental set up that he was working on for 95 octane (not 98) which was not exactly what we had specified, so he is going to re-send the correct ones apparently. Despite this I really can't fault his service, if you're not happy send the chip back for a full, no-quibble refund. Also any time he improves his chip mapping (on-going process of development) he sends out an upgrade for free. I'll report back when I hear more / get another chip, but I must admit I'm already very happy with what I've got.

Jamie
 
Back to being serious, thanks Jamie and I think that I would go with the 98 octane version - I just wondered if it were possible to extract the same performance from a chip set up for 95 octane.
 
Hi Iain,
if you are going to order a chip (as opposed to the Fiat), perhap I can add mind to it, how many do we mneed to get a good discount?
 
Nice idea if you want to organise it!

I've done stuff like that before and it's "oh I'll get the cheque to you next week", or "could you send it back for me", or "I've sold my Porsche now so I don't need it any more".

Sorry to be such a cynic.
 
Ok we'll see how many want to join in, cash/cheque up front, otherwise its "one for all and all for none" then
 
Ok, so Iain If you are still up for it .........................we need one more, any takers?
 
Before I do this, could someone let me know what other additions would be sensible e.g.airboxes - nothing too over the top though I want to keep the car pretty much original.

I assume I would need to know this before ordering the chip.
 
Ian,

Those nice people at Type 911 do a 1975-89 Sports Pre Silencer Polished Stainless Steel.

It has a hole for a lamda sensor - so you shouldn't therefore have ECU probs IF you replace your sensor in the new pipe.


Suggest you follow this URL link and look at the picture.

http://www.type-911.co.uk/exhaustparts.htm

The gland for the probe is at the top of the image. I also suggest you give them a ring. Very knowledgable and helpful.

Cheers

Dave
 
It has taken me a while to fit my chip - due to work, travel, baby daughter etc - but it was finally completed today.

I did back to back runs over my regular circuit and various accellerating tests in different gears. So what is the verdict? As a starter, I am pleased I bought the chip and would recommend it to others. However, the pure performance benefits are in my opinion not crystal clear.

For starters, if you think that a chip is like bolting on a turbo, well it ain't. The improvements are quite subtle and to be honest, I could not swear that the car is quicker in full throttle accelleration above 4000rpm. It is IMHO too little to accurately guage with your butt. I believe that only racing drivers who are used to back to back testing of the same car can pick gains of 15hp or less - so no shame there. I think there is enough dyno evidence from other Steve Wong users to show that there are some benefits and car certainly does not feel slower. I think it feels a touch faster - but I can't be sure.

However, there are some real benefits that are unequivocal and easy to feel.

First is mid range response. In the 2000-4000rpm area the car is much more responsive to light throttle openings - even a flex of the big toe gets results. Similarly, giving it the full jandal at 2000rpm in 3rd is now rewarded with much faster accelleration. Accellerating from 2000 to 3000rpm now feels more like 3000 to 4000rpm. So, everyday drivability is improved. Pottering along in 2nd or 3rd in traffic and it is easier to go for that gap.

Secondly, smoothness in stop start traffic and in the midrange is much improved. This was unexpected. My car has always suffered from a bit of "shunt" in slow stop and start traffic, particularly when close to idle in 1st/2nd. This is drastically reduced. My car also has a kind of hesitancy between 2200 and 2800 rpm. It feels like slack in the drivetrain and is most noticeable in 4th/5th with a light throttle opening/closing - like when caught behind slow traffic at say 50-60mph and still in 5th. Now gone - completely. I would buy chip for this alone.

Thirdly, the rev limit is increased - 6840rpm. I didn't hit the new limiter but I must have come close and the car pulls strongly thru 6500rpm. This will be useful on track where the (relative) hole between 2nd and 3rd can be annoying. I hope the little bit of extra midrange will also help fill this hole. I find on track that unless a section of track dictates holdiong a gear (or shortshifting) that I naturally change at about 6200-6400rpm but now changing at 6500ish feel natural. Not sure if this is psychological or not.

Just by way of background, my car is a late 1989 car that has done 70,000 miles and uses basically no oil at all. It occasionally has a little smoke in the exhaust at start up if it has sat for a couple of weeks of so. I belive it is in good health but have not had a dyno test as its rear anti roll bar (non-OE) is too low to clear the dyno rollers! I have no problem keeping up with 964s in straight line drags on the track and my mechanic after driving the car asked if it had a chip and cams done already. So, it may have just been a relatively good motor to start with. But, it has the DME labelled 911.618.111.19 which is the DME option for inferior fuel and the fuel quality switch was set to position 4 which retards the ignition timing by 3 degrees. So, there should have been plenty of scope for improvement.

In summary, there really aren't any negatives with the chip and there are clear positives but it does go to show that at full throttle, there are not many free horsies left on the table without making more substantial changes. I hope my comments don't sound negative as the bottom line is that I am happy with the chip. The three benefits listed above are real and I *think* that full throttle above 4000rpm is also better - I just can't be sure. It would be interesting if someone had a g-tech I could borrow.

HTH
Richard
 
I just noticed Iain's question about what mods to make. Well none are required, but whatever you decide to do (within reason) can be factored into the chip. These chips are semi-custom. Steve has maps for free flow back boxs, honed intake manifolds, hot film MAF, probably cam changes etc.

Richard
 
Richard,
Excellent write-up, that almost exactly mirrors my own thoughts. I agree that it's not a obvious 'blow your socks off' kind of hike in raw HP on offer, but the real bonus of greatly improved all-round driveability. I've done a lot of town driving since I put the chip in, and as you well know these cars can be quite hard work to battle through stop-start traffic, it is now noticeably smoother and easier to manage. Although this was probably not the main aim of buying the chips in the first place, I think it would justify the expenditure in its own right.
There definitely seems to be an increase in 'eagerness' past 4000 rpm, although difficult to quantify. I also agree that the extra few rpm on top will offer a few more opportunities on track.
I might try a bit of totally unscientific back to back testing at Bedford next month and see what's what. I have a real sneaking suspicion that these chips might be one of those rare mods that improve both day to day driving and track drving. We'll see !!!

Jamie
 

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