Thinking of 991 Carrera 4 - advice sought

[jbanfie]

Well, I think it's time for the menoPorsche!

I'm considering a manual (or PDK) 991 C4 and would appreciate owners recommendations on options, must haves, don't bothers etc

I'd also appreciate views on the PDK kickdown behaviour, I currently drive an Audi A7 BiTDi which despite having 313PS etc etc takes over a second to kickdown and pick up - it's bad.

Discounts on list? broadspeed is suggesting about 6%, any views on this area?

I'd like a 10 year 30,000 mile warranty - as I guess many would, has anyone had any luck with that kind of debate?

Thanks in advance for any input and help offered

Regards

Jon

Somerset, UK

 

[Dylan1]

I'd like a 10 year 30,000 mile warranty - as I guess many would, has anyone had any luck with that kind of debate?

there has been no debate -it just wont happen[]

I dont think there has been much experience of the 991 C4`s yet but maybe one or two on here-i wld be interested too in how the new C4S stacks up

 

[ralphmusic]

Or even a USA warranty as attached


http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CE0QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles1.porsche.com%2Ffilestore.aspx%2FPorsche-Download.pdf%3Fpool%3Dusa%26type%3Ddownload%26id%3Dwarrantyandcustomerinformationpdf%26lang%3Dnone%26filetype%3Ddefault%26version%3D48e8039c-97ca-4e77-8c4c-2ae7d79e3371&ei=x50kUaavNdC7hAen_YD4Bw&usg=AFQjCNHVikiQtCLAQJnPEULD3TMfszh7oA&bvm=bv.42661473,d.ZG4

and their prices...

 

[Lancerlot]

ORIGINAL: jbanfie

Well, I think it's time for the menoPorsche!

I'm considering a manual (or PDK) 991 C4 and would appreciate owners recommendations on options, must haves, don't bothers etc

I'd also appreciate views on the PDK kickdown behaviour, I currently drive an Audi A7 BiTDi which despite having 313PS etc etc takes over a second to kickdown and pick up - it's bad.

Discounts on list? broadspeed is suggesting about 6%, any views on this area?

I'd like a 10 year 30,000 mile warranty - as I guess many would, has anyone had any luck with that kind of debate?

Thanks in advance for any input and help offered

Regards

Jon

Somerset, UK

OK, here goes.....................

First, I would look at the C2 before the C4 - IMHO it's sharper and has more nimble handling. I would also go for the 'S' version if the budget allowed.

Thereafter (on cost-secondary basis) I'd plump for met. paint, folding and dimming door mirrors, Sports Design package, PDK with paddles, PCCB's (maybe), Carrera S wheels, TPM, wheels spacers, PDCC, Power Kit, heated and vented adaptive sport seats, cruise, extinguisher, Homelink, lighting package, Park Assist, Rear Wiper, Sports steering wheel, carbon interior package, carbon door sills, carbon console, Bose Sound.

That would be a very tasty motor car indeed. [8D] PDK kickdown - fantastic. [] Broadspeed discount, try some OPC's for deals too. You need a close relationship with a Porsche Centre for full benefit of ownership. You have a choice of Bristol, Exeter, Bournemouth, Swindon or Cardiff. So shop around! []

Warranty - 3 years , then extended or 3rd party policy at cost. [&:]

Regards,

Clive.

 

[tscaptain]

ORIGINAL: Lancerlot


That would be a very tasty motor car indeed.
Regards,

Clive.

That would also be about 112,000 of your English pounds too.........[&:] (£116k if you had the 4S) Personally I don't think the PCCBs are necessary for day to day driving so that would save you £6k![]

 

[Lancerlot]

Yep, that's about right - it's progress, dear boy, progress! [8D]

You may be right about PCCB's because there was no issue with the steels on the demonstrator I drove last year, but I did say "on cost secondary" basis - so if I have £6K to spare I'd have them!

Regards,

Clive

 

[spyderman]

The C4 is a fairly rare variant so I think you'd be lucky to get much of a discount.

Have no worries about the speed of change of the PDK box - in the 991 it can skip gears completely if you floor it, so is even faster than that in the 987 and 997 Gen.2 cars.

On the warranty front, I'm afraid in the UK we have to count ourselves lucky to get 3 years!

 

[tscaptain]

ORIGINAL: Lancerlot

Yep, that's about right - it's progress, dear boy, progress! [8D]

Maybe but I'd rather have this for under £100k........[]

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-turbo-997/porsche-911-turbo-s-997-911-turbo-s-997-aerokit-pdk/1093279

 

[pboldmonts]

I really wish I had not clicked on that link!!!

That is a hell of lot of car at £97k and I bet a discount could be negotiated too. I've asked BT to cut my phone line and I've dropped my iPhone in the bath!!!!

 

[Lancerlot]

ORIGINAL: spyderman
On the warranty front, I'm afraid in the UK we have to count ourselves lucky to get 3 years!

Well. you get 2 years manufacturer's warranty, the 3rd year you pay for as a mandatory extra. []

Regards,

Clive.

 

[lamboman]

991S has 6 pot front brakes with 340mm discs compared to 997S's 4 pot and 330mm discs.

UK 3rd year warranty is NOT mandatory. OPC's cannot force you to buy an insurance product.

 

[Lancerlot]

Sorry, mandatory is not perhaps the correct word. What I meant is you have to pay for it and it's part of the final UK quoted price. [8|]

Regards,

Clive

 

[pwebb]

Hi Jon
There's only two essentials in my view - pdk and sports exhaust. Pdk because it's the most fun, from being a pussy cat auto box to driving god track settings. PSE because it makes me smile and occasionally laugh out loud. All the rest is personal. I have to have sport seats, Bose and Guards red, of course. But as has been said, try the C2 as well as the C4 and make your own mind up on the dynamics. Oh and agreed the Audi box is rubbish...

 

[lamboman]

ORIGINAL: Lancerlot

Sorry, mandatory is not perhaps the correct word. What I meant is you have to pay for it and it's part of the final UK quoted price. [8|]

Regards,

Clive

that's the point, you don't have to pay for it, as you don't have to have the 3rd year warranty.

 

[salisbees]

Go for the PDK, it is faster than you can change and is always useable as a manual anyway. PCCB not worth the money and the C2S is more pliable and costs less to run though it is not as good in snow or the wet.

 

[BigCat]

I've just bought a 991 C2 PDK it's a 2013 model year car and was going to be registered as a demo car so I secured it at the ex demo price. Like you I have an Audi but a Q5, my 991 replaced a BMW 330d.
Re discounts, just remember what you negotiate off the car now impacts what you get in the future when you trade it in, my advice try and buy an ex demo or one that is about to be registered e.g take a look at Porsche Centre Swindon, where I bought my car, very helpful and professional and the whole buying experience was great. I was in sales for 30 years until I retired last year so i recognised attention to the customer and the sales person i dealt with was excellent.
Back to the car, my budget was limited and this is my first Porsche, I took a demonstrator out for a day, covered over 160 miles and used the experience to decide on what I eventually bought. I would have liked a C2S PDK but IMHO the additional cost of ownership as well as upfront cost was not worth it for the additional performance gains . As for the kick down behaviour of the PDK box all I can say is that even treating it gently for running in proposes, the gear change is rapid, nothing like the Audi Q5 which is slow to change by comparison (but good for the type of car it is) and it's also much faster than my 330d, which was a quick car.

As for a 10 year/30k miles warranty I think you ned to be realistic with your expectations, 3K miles a year is so low the car is not going to get enough use so any car used this infrequently will likely suffer problems any car need to be driven regularly if you want to get the best out of them as Ferry Porsche says "our cars are meant to be driven not polished"

 

[pwebb]

Welcome to the register forum BigCat, look forward to your thoughts on the car when you've done a few miles - and don't treat it too gently!! A few pics too?
Back to the OP it's clear that decent discounts on physical cars can be negotiated. Cars to order probably not.

 

[BigCat]

Well I have had it 4 weeks and covered over 600 miles and so far it's very good.
The only negative is that my car has the Multi Function Steering Wheel, similar to the one which I had on my BMW 330 Coupe, however it's not easy to select the various menus in the multi function display; the thumbwheel is very small and requires just the lightest of touch to operate so light that it's all too easy to overshoot the display required. In manual mode changing up requires pressing either of the buttons and pulling back to change down it was the same on my BMW and not as intuitive as pulling on a left paddle to change down, right to change up like my Q5. The PDK on the 911 is very fast and manual mode makes for a more involved drive so the Sport Design Wheel with it's "conventional" Left- Down Right - Up Paddles would probably be a better option. it's an expensive retrofit, but as I saved a lot off the list price in the first place I might just go ahead and change it to make the car perfect.

 

[pwebb]

I had the buttons on my 997 Gen2 and did get used to them, and appreciated the multi function wheel, particularly the phone and radio controls. Quite why Porsche can't engineer the paddles and mf buttons is beyond me! Still, at least you've got the option to retrofit paddles if you choose to.

 

[jbanfie]

Well, it's been a week and thanks for the input and advice I'm enjoying the reading and the banter!

My localist dealer is strictly Bournemouth and I've had a couple of long chats with them and yes discounts on physical cars seem quite real, but have resisted visiting the showroom so far because I know what will happen when I get there and it probably won't be good for my wallet! That said, I'm right in the middle of spirited drive to Bournemouth, Swindon or Bristol so shopping around is probably a good idea.

I'm fairly settled on Agate Grey as a colour and Chiswick Porsche have a fully loaded demo C2S that's nearly a year old that could fit the bill.

Whilst demonstrators are listed on the Porsche site, new stock in showrooms does not appear to be?

Watching Bloomberg TV this morning, the chief exec of Porsche has said that Volkswagen have had a worse start to 2013 than they did to 2012, this makes me ponder!!!