Thinking of late 997 Turbo S

[mnk303]

Opinions please , was going to take cancelled 991Turbo S , but pulled out because so nervous about the drop in depreciation, been offered a couple of very late last gen 2 cars (owners have swapped early out for new 991) and would value a quick opinion, seems I would save myself about £60k on a car that has only a few k miles, in real world is there much in the performance? The exhaust sound does not seem too different to me , luxury wise similar, anyone give me details about the pdk ? Is it ok on the Gen2 cars.

I know depreciation will still be there but much less so , I just can't in my heart justify the drop on a new one, also for me 144k makes me look at a used 458 .
Thank you

 

[Alan Stamper]

Hi, always best to take an extended test drive, then listen to your heart !
I find the PDK on my 997 GTS simply amazing, you can choose how involved you want to be at the press of a button.
The sound with PSE on is addictive. Have always had manuals, but I find this PDK delivers !
Good luck !

 

[Lancerlot]

You'll be sold on a 997 Turbo 'S'. It's the perfect car. PDK and acceleration are awesome.

Car is SUPERB on all surfaces and in all weathers.

Top retail price from new with extras was just short of £130K so if you're getting one with small mileage for £70K - it's a steal! []

Go for it - you know you want to! []

Regards,

Clive.

 

[Dylan1]

No brainer IMHO

 

[Alex L]

IMHO the 991 Turbo S is no more than 10% better car than a 997 Turbo S. Worth paying x2 for... no!

 

[Rotorhead]

ORIGINAL: Lancerlot
It's the perfect car. PDK and acceleration are awesome.
Car is SUPERB on all surfaces and in all weathers.
Top retail price from new with extras was just short of £130K so if you're getting one with small mileage for £70K - it's a steal! []

That's true, but IMO (after 3 years with a Turbo 'S') it lacks 'soul'.

That's fine if you are buying it for its efficient ground covering, everyday/whatever the weather, capabilities. But, I'd also want another 911 in the garage, next to it, that was more fun, more involving, more tactile, and better sounding, for pure enjoyment purposes.

It's a shame that the new 991 Turbo has been greeted with so much scepticsm. I had both the 991 GT3 and Turbos on my short list for this year. In the end, neither ticked all the boxes.

 

[stuartw]

Not sure I like reading all of these threads

Just about to part ex. my 997 Turbo S Cab for a new 991 Turbo S coupe!!!!

Stuart

 

[pwebb]

ORIGINAL: stuartw


Not sure I like reading all of these threads

Just about to part ex. my 997 Turbo S Cab for a new 991 Turbo S coupe!!!!

Stuart

That's because you're not reading the 991 Turbo S owners comments []

I know one owner who's moved into the new car from a 9974S and is absolutely loving it.

 

[Lancerlot]

ORIGINAL: oliver
That's true, but IMO (after 3 years with a Turbo 'S') it lacks 'soul'.
That's fine if you are buying it for its efficient ground covering, everyday/whatever the weather, capabilities. But, I'd also want another 911 in the garage, next to it, that was more fun, more involving, more tactile, and better sounding, for pure enjoyment purposes.
It's a shame that the new 991 Turbo has been greeted with so much scepticsm. I had both the 991 GT3 and Turbos on my short list for this year. In the end, neither ticked all the boxes.

So none of them are doing it for you then! Perhaps you just need to think about another marque altogether then. Personally, following a brisk run up the Col de Turini or a couple laps of the Nordschleife, I find my TTS has plenty enough "soul" for me! []

ORIGINAL: pwebb

ORIGINAL: stuartw
Not sure I like reading all of these threads
Just about to part ex. my 997 Turbo S Cab for a new 991 Turbo S coupe!!!!
Stuart

That's because you're not reading the 991 Turbo S owners comments []
I know one owner who's moved into the new car from a 9974S and is absolutely loving it.

Peter,
I'm sure the new car is superb and I'm jealous of anybody who is getting one. But the OP wants to know if its worth an additional £60K or not. []

Regards,

Clive.

 

[tscaptain]

ORIGINAL: mnk303

Opinions please , was going to take cancelled 991Turbo S , but pulled out because so nervous about the drop in depreciation, been offered a couple of very late last gen 2 cars (owners have swapped early out for new 991) and would value a quick opinion, seems I would save myself about £60k on a car that has only a few k miles, in real world is there much in the performance? The exhaust sound does not seem too different to me , luxury wise similar, anyone give me details about the pdk ? Is it ok on the Gen2 cars.

I know depreciation will still be there but much less so , I just can't in my heart justify the drop on a new one, also for me 144k makes me look at a used 458 .
Thank you

It all depends on what you want the car for in the first place. Weekend fairweather posers toy and don't mind the maintenance costs? Buy the Ferrari, although it will be 4 years old. If you're worried about depreciation buy the Ferrari or 997 Turbo S. The PDK, btw, is very good (it's only on Gen 2 cars anyway).
Any new car is going to take a huge depreciaiton hit unless it is a rare beast, so you might be better off with a 991 GT3? Oh, there aren't any left for sale......
If £60k meant nothing to me I would buy the 991 turbo S because, and only from what I've read so far, it does more much better than the 997. More grunt (not that it really needs it) better handling, better sound and a much nicer interior. But it does, so I won't as my 997 turbo is all the car I need in the real world.[]
It is said that the 997 and 991, even more so, take away the skill needed to drive these very fast cars because they are so very, very competent and secure in what they do. As 99.9% of people on the roads are not driving gods I see that as a positive.
But any comment on here about the relative merits of 997 v 991 v Ferrari will be, of course, totally subjective. Only you can make that choice depending on your needs, circumstances and ability (including the ability to get in and out of it!)

 

[944s2]

Odd Road test in this weeks Autocar praising but not totally convinced they liked it but still 4 stars though

Seems to be as car get faster and better developed they lose "character"

Wonder what they would say if Porsche released a 70's handling 911?

 

[garyw]

ORIGINAL: 944s2
Wonder what they would say if Porsche released a 70's handling 911?

It would be banned under some sort of current H&S regulation... []

 

[tscaptain]

Th NCAP boys would be happy though as you would only ever hit things going backwards...[]

 

[stuartw]

A good point. I will have a look immediately!

ORIGINAL: pwebb

ORIGINAL: stuartw


Not sure I like reading all of these threads

Just about to part ex. my 997 Turbo S Cab for a new 991 Turbo S coupe!!!!

Stuart

That's because you're not reading the 991 Turbo S owners comments []

I know one owner who's moved into the new car from a 9974S and is absolutely loving it.

 

[Alex L]

ORIGINAL: pwebb

ORIGINAL: stuartw


Not sure I like reading all of these threads

Just about to part ex. my 997 Turbo S Cab for a new 991 Turbo S coupe!!!!

Stuart

That's because you're not reading the 991 Turbo S owners comments []

I know one owner who's moved into the new car from a 9974S and is absolutely loving it.

I think that's more likely the torque talking!

 

[mnk303]

ORIGINAL: oliver

ORIGINAL: Lancerlot
It's the perfect car. PDK and acceleration are awesome.
Car is SUPERB on all surfaces and in all weathers.
Top retail price from new with extras was just short of £130K so if you're getting one with small mileage for £70K - it's a steal! []

That's true, but IMO (after 3 years with a Turbo 'S') it lacks 'soul'.

That's fine if you are buying it for its efficient ground covering, everyday/whatever the weather, capabilities. But, I'd also want another 911 in the garage, next to it, that was more fun, more involving, more tactile, and better sounding, for pure enjoyment purposes.

It's a shame that the new 991 Turbo has been greeted with so much scepticsm. I had both the 991 GT3 and Turbos on my short list for this year. In the end, neither ticked all the boxes.

Please tell me what else did you look at and end up with

 

[Rotorhead]

ORIGINAL: mnk303
Please tell me what else did you look at and end up with?

Well, I bought my first 911 in 1984, and I've had a new one every 2-3 years since, as my principal road car, so I was unlikely to change marques*.

I'd driven various 991 C2s, which are excellent, but thought it would be a choice between the new GT3 and Turbos. However, I had the extended use of a 991 C4'S' and was so impressed. It ticked all my boxes - being absolutely perfect for my intended use, so I ordered one.

But, IMO, the latest models are just so well engineered and contrived to flatter the driver. Any true 911 enthusiast should also have an early model in the garage to fulfil the really intimate pleasures that a 911 can deliver.

Rather than buy a 991 Turbo - the same money would buy a 997 Turbo S or a 991 S for everyday plus an exceptional 911/964/993, which may even be an investment.

* Incidentally, I do get to drive other marques; one of my jobs is motoring correspondent for Harrods Magazine, and I get most of the competition on loan for a few days at a time - most recently the F458 Spyder - although IMO nothing yet compares with the the 911's total packaging.

 

[mnk303]

ORIGINAL: oliver

ORIGINAL: mnk303
Please tell me what else did you look at and end up with?

Any true 911 enthusiast should also have an early model in the garage to fulfil the really intimate pleasures that a 911 can deliver.

Rather than buy a 991 Turbo - the same money would buy a 997 Turbo S or a 991 S for everyday plus an exceptional 911/964/993, which may even be an investment.

* Incidentally, I do get to drive other marques; one of my jobs is motoring correspondent for Harrods Magazine, and I get most of the competition on loan for a few days at a time - most recently the F458 Spyder - although IMO nothing yet compares with the the 911's total packaging.

Thank you Oliver, I am finding this quite a hard decision, I have had 9 x 911 and 2 Boxsters S, the latest 981S I have is easily on par with the 996 and early 997's I had, nothing so far has excited me as much as the GT3RS I had but just so non practical, too low and now even more so with the state of the roads. I am sliding towards agreement with you and starting to look at a 1-2 year old 997 Gen 2 Turbo S and still have change to buy a nice 1980s early 90's 911, what is interesting is calling about I have been offered no less than 5 off 991 Turbo S unregistered at below list (not massively below but 4-5 K below) and that's makes me even more nervous.

 

[Z80]

ORIGINAL: stuartw


Not sure I like reading all of these threads

Just about to part ex. my 997 Turbo S Cab for a new 991 Turbo S coupe!!!!

Stuart

Don't worry Stuart. I've recently acquired a 991 Turbo S & it's awesome, absolutely lovely.

My previous 997 Turbo S was fantastic though the low front lip spoiler was an issue. The 991 Turbo S is a move on from that even though it's only done 160 miles.

Greg

 

[geoff lane]

Martin

This is a very interesting thread which to me is all about personnel opinion, is a 991 Turbo worth the extra over a 997 is the difference significant, should you get a 997 Turbo S or should it be a 991 GT3 or possibly a 458.
All I can say is what is right for one of us will not be right for everyone, what will the usage be, which best fits the bill.
My opinion for what its worth having gone the other way and changed a 997 Gen 1.5 manual Turbo for a 997 Turbo S Cab with the intention of it being my ultimate, however I could not love it, it did not excite me and in hindsight I preferred my manual Turbo which I felt better connected with, was there anything wrong with the Turbo S, No it was if anything too good it was so fast and safe and covered miles so easily, if you want a car to gobble continents and give you some fun on B roads its a very good car and so so quick. I could not gel with the PDK box and just did not feel special when driving it which I expected particularly having spent that amount of money so I have changed it for the 997 GT3RS and I just love it, is it special yes does it make me smile yes every time even when I'm driving it slowly, is it practical no not like the Turbo S so its horses for courses, try them all, think about the cost and make your decision because they are all good and special in there own way.
You have had a Gen 2 997 GT3RS so you will know exactly what I mean.
Good Luck.

Geoff