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ORIGINAL: RLambert

I'd like to try this but have cruise, what does the spring do ?

Despite our confusion earlier in this thread, I'm reliable informed from Rennlist that the spring has no involvement in cruise operation. The spring is simply a throttle return spring. A sort of belt and braces to make sure the throttle closes when off the pedal. Later cars with the plastic manifold don't have the return spring but we don't know if their main throttle spring got beefed up as a consequence of the retrurn spring being abandoned.

So it sounds like you can give it a go as it won't affect the cruise if you remove it.

ETA: Just seen that this contradicts Rob's reply a bit....so to be clear...a number of rennlisters with cruise and later cars have reported that they don't have the return spring.
 
Steve, did you have any joy in finding a lighter spring?

Different subject but very useful, for a couple of ££'s I downloaded all the Electrical Schematics for the 964 models from this site http://www.tradebit.com/filedetail.php/153252470-porsche-964-wiring-diagram-download
 

ORIGINAL: ras62

Steve, did you have any joy in finding a lighter spring?

Not yet. There are quite a few around but all seem to be too long (I think) because the shortest from hook to hook is 70 mm whereas our standard spring is 55 mm. Will keep looking. BTW does your spring have the kink in the middle too? Oldtimer's does.
 
Post trackday thoughts:

On Thursday, Oldtimer and myself travelled down to Castle Combe for the annual 928 trackday. On the way down the springless throttle was a pleasure to use. Light on the foot and it seemed very responsive. Very useful in those convoy situations where you get separated by a numpty that wants to get in the middle and then have to accelerate quickly to catch up the gap.

On track at CC there were again no issues and there was definitely a better feel when adjusting the car on the throttle. In the afternoon I refitted the spring so that I could make a comparison of with and without. Immediately the throttle felt stiff and comparatively unresponsive. However, on track, it made no difference in how fast I went round. Not that there was any timing of course [;)]. On the long journey home the throttle definitely made harder work for me and after 2 hours of motorway cruising, some numbness in my right foot was creeping in (which didn't happen on the journey down).

Now the science bit. Melv's cup car, which of course has a plastic inlet, was on hand for a comparison. The pictures below show the difference between his throttle arrangement and mine. Melv's has a single beefier main spring whereas mine has a more delicate main spring with more turns and a second spring. So my guess is that later cars did away with the return spring when the main throttle position spring was beefed up? Also, I found that the throttle pedal on Melv's car was softer than mine when it has the return spring fitted but was stiffer than my pedal with the return spring removed. i.e. pedal feel on Melv's car is somewhere in between.

Pic of throttle arrangement on Melv's cup car (no return spring as standard on his car)

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Pic of throttle arrangement on my early car (with return spring removed).

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Interesting comparison Steve, quite a few differences between the two cars, even the micro switches are in a different place. My guess, and it is only a guess is that this was one of those small cost saving mods made when Porsche were really starting take costs seriously. Fewer springs, plastic intakes etc, simplify and improve the car while saving money.
 

ORIGINAL: ras62

Steve, did you have any joy in finding a lighter spring?

Rob, I've just put a lighter spring on. 3 quid for three from and MG spares place [:D]

Original vs ligher one:

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Fitted on the car:

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Throttle still feels very light and firms up close to WOT and therefore provides some security of preventing the car sticking at WOT. Pleased with it so far. [:)]
 
Good hunting Steve! Have just ordered the spring so will give it a try on arrival. Sounds like a result.[:)]
 

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