Time To Be Serious (The R31 HiVis Vest Fest) - CH - 5th July

[brickell]

As we are looking to Cornfed House of the Poultry Club GB for the inaugural Hi-viz vest fest does this mean there are categories for organic, free range and battery vests? Is there going to be a best vest in show? Will all the vests be judged together or by type / colour.

 

[KIRK]

Dear All, Chinese Steve and that bloke from Up North (I refuse to use his spelling),

Further to our R31 Cotswold Coffee Cruise where we in fact do not cruise at all otherwise we would spill out coffee (some have tea but it is equally spillable and it is hard to dunk biscuits whilst driving) the greatest minds of the region met this morning. The outcome was that our minds were not so great and indeed there was a philosophical debate about whether we had minds at all. OK so our combined cell concluded? Well there was not one but despite this we decided to act upon our passions (passion being a pre-requisite to do anything in the last five years in society and justifies anything). Given that members of R31 have a deep interest in Porsche cars and concours events (especially James) and an even deeper engagement (unhealthy interest) with Hi Vis apparel we decided to bring these elements together and be creative and dynamic and to celebrate our interests we decided upon a
Hi Vis Vest Fest in conjunction with our sub-group CTOT (for the uninitiated,those without a memory or interest in such things or the lazy Bs that do not come to any of our fabulous regional meetings this is the notorious and very select group; Commercial Travelers on Tour). Whilst not sanctioned by the Poultry Club GB we thought we might seek funding from the same in order to make this a prestigious event and use Cornfed House as a suitable venue.
The Hi Vis Vest Fest would, as it says on the tin or where I have just typed it, be totally concerned with the Hi Vis garment on the upper body. There were appeals for nether region's apparel but it was felt that some may find this a little embarrasing and may bring the Poultry Club into disrepute. However, the real reason is that, as this will be a competive Vest Fest, some members would be at a big advantage and the fest title says all you need to know and describes the area of interest. Calling it Hi Vis Vest Fest and Nether Regions would be silly and may confuse R17, R19 and R20 as they are south of R31.

Given the desire to hold the above day we are now looking for suggestions with regard to rules and regulations, as in a club concours, to stop the event becoming a farce and to discourage cheating. Please can you all put your thinking caps on and post your thought (Yes thought singular as I am expecting little. Best to under anticipate but over deliver). We have of course formed a committee and a sub-commitee, several working groups but are still looking for a suitably qualified chair person (or some idiot prepared to take on the role. Note they do not have to be a person at all so suggestions please as to who or what might be co-opted or otherwise made to look a fool)

OAP Wir arbeiten fur sie.


Note from Oberhauptmann R31:
Just in case anyone is wondering what this is all about, some of us are planning to meet up with other members from other regions at Cornbury House on Sunday 5th July to watch the British Grand Prix on the Club's mega wide-screen television receiver. No catering is provided as far as we know so you may wish to bring a packed lunch and couple of cans of Tizer. If you want to join in just make a post below.

PS: Wearing high-visibity apparel is completely optional unless directing traffic or has been prescribed by your psychiatrist or geriatrician.

 

[KIRK]

James, I knew I could rely on you to ask a lot of questions but not provide any answers. Can you be more constructive and formulate some of these into categories for competition and rules for judging etc. Alan Obergruppenthinggybob has volunteered to go to Italy next week with Fiona to visit Poultry Club Italia to see how Hi Vis competitions are organised there and to take a closer look at the new Giorgio Armani range of Giubbotta ad alta visibilitia with the detachable cinghia cavallo for an instant transformation suitable for windy evenings. The cinghia cavallo would however be ruled out in our Vest Fest competition as it falls into the nether regions category. R17 and R19 if you are reading this it not refering to you! Alan we expect some detailed feed back on your observations after your trip to Italy. Alan please take care and keep an eye open for the cosa nostra visibilitia (these are the guys who wear dark glasses and matching Hi Vis jackets and trousers) and can be a particularly nasty bunch). OAP

 

[brickell]

Thank you Kirk for not clarifying anything. It's now as clear as mud. I will await the Uppergrubbythingys return to get his thoughts on this. I am sure we will get the correct ISO ratings necessary. Giorgio Armani is a bit much, I was thinking more like George from ASDA, he doesn't work on the weekend so I can borrow his. If I think of any good categories I will ignore them and try to come up with something more to the standard expected here.

 

[KIRK]

more to the standard expected here.

Standard???????? we have one??????

 

[brickell]

Yes we do! It's not much but we do have one. It could even be low enough to be negative but never double, but it is there.

 

[SteveAndrews]

I do have a High Vis armband so clearly I will be eligible to enter but hope there are no plans for giving extra points for having a High Vis brightly coloured car. That would be most unfair given that mine is black. Is the rumour that James and Kirk wil be giving clog dancing lessons as a first prize correct? Personally I would prefer a lesson in how to play Mah Jong as I have suddenly developed a peculiar urge to play this game.

 

[vitesse]

Dear Venerable Gentlemen of R31:-I have immediately detected fowl play but the laptop on my battery is running dangerously low so will have to keep my paltry remarks to myself until recharged.-Oops!

 

[KIRK]

suddenly developed a peculiar urge

We had noticed. OAP

 

[KIRK]

detected fowl play but the laptop on my battery is running dangerously low so will have to keep my paltry remarks to myself until recharged.-Oops!

Vitesse, your contribution is simply chicken feed in the context of our Hi Vis Vest Fest endeavour. The battery is a poor excuse and perhaps the real reason for your brevity was that you were in a flap and had become momentarily bird brained. Alternatively you may be at this moment contemplating hatching some terrible plot to spoil our plans. If you continue to misbehave then we will have no option but to send for the beak who will carry out the traditional punishment of tar and feather. There is no play here fowl or otherwise so do not try to lay any blame on R31. OAP

 

[brickell]

Kirk here is a start to the rules for hi-viz concourse.

Poultry Club G B CONCOURS RULES & REGULATIONS NATIONAL HI-VIZ VEST FEST 2015 – CORNFED HOUSE REGULATIONS AND CONDITIONS ON THE DAY AND NUMBER OF ENTRIES MAY FORCE CHANGES TO THESE RULES AND REGULATIONS. SUCH CHANGES WILL BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CONCOURS COORDINATOR. ANY QUERIES RELATING TO THESE REGULATIONS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE CONCOURS COMMITTEE. 1. PRIDE OF OWNERSHIP CLASSES These classes of concours are to encourage “Pride of Ownership” by way of a display and competition. Concours preparation will endorse the best maintenance and aesthetics of Hi-viz attire and any hi-viz will be judged as presented. This year there are 3 classes to compete in. They are: WORKING HI-VIZ : All hi-viz clothing used for work purposes. NEW/LEISURE HI-VIZ: Any hi-viz clothing purchased solely for this event or used for leisure purposes. CUSTOMISED HI-VIZ : Any hi-viz clothing which has been customised from original specification 2. ELIGIBILITY 2.1 Outright winners of any previous hi-viz clothing concourse are not allowed to compete in the following year’s event. 2.2 Competitors must be paid up members. Entries must be made on the official entry form and submitted by the closing date on the entry form. Entries received after this closing date or on the day will be at the discretion of the Concours Committee. 2.3 Each accepted entry must be registered at the signing-on desk. 2.4 Entry tickets to the event will need to be purchased. 25 Entries will be restricted to Hi-viz clothing meeting the EN 471:2003 standard. 2.6 Each competitor will receive all necessary display and judging information prior to the event. 2.7 Each item of hi-viz must cover the wearer in a way so no embarrassment to the wearer or spectators occur. Each item of hi-viz must have current road tax / tax exempt disc and MOT where appropriate and be in road worthy condition. A safety inspection will not be part of the judging process, but visible safety hazards noted by the judges will be penalised. 3 SCORING The judges will be briefed to focus on cleanliness, quality of presentation and overall condition of the hi-viz: cleanliness referring to all scoring areas of the hi-viz having received attention, presentation referring to the level of precise detailing in all scoring areas, overall condition referring to the appearance and condition of all scoring areas. 4.1 All hi-viz will be judged as an assembled unit. Parts such as collars, sleeves, reflective material, etc, must be attached to the clothing in the specified position and manner. Hoods must be raised or in place as the case may be. 4.2 Each Pride of Ownership hi-viz will be marked out of the possible total points as indicated on the judges marking sheet, according to the following categories – Exterior/Interior/Reflectiveness. Multiple judges will be used to provide a balanced view. 4.3 Usage Points:, one point will be awarded for every obvious wear and tear resulting in the hi-viz being used, to a maximum of 19 points for bin man level wear. 4.4 Age Points: 4.5 WORKING HI-VIZ : All hi-viz will be given one point per oil, tea or coffee stain up to a maximum of 30 points. 4.6 NEW/LEISURE HI-VIZ: 1 point per crease still visible form the packaging, maximum of 10 points. 4.7 CUSTOMISED HI-VIZ : 1 point per innovative customisation to be awarded to a maximum of 30 points. 4.8 Age Penalty points: WORKING HI-VIZ : Hi-viz under the age of 1 YEAR can enter this concours but will be subject to age penalty points. These will be deducted from the final score to a maximum of 25 points. 4.9 In the event of a points tie at the completion of judging, the winner will be at the discretion of the Concours Committee. Attention is drawn that each competitor should display on their hi-viz a Poultry /Porsche Club GB badge on the front. Failure to display one of these badges as indicated will result in 5 points being deducted from the overall final score. 5 JUDGING 5.1 On arrival, you will be shown to your parking place. You should then sign on without delay when you will be advised of your judging time. Hi-viz will be judged either in their parking space or under cover depending on weather conditions. 5.2 Judging will commence when we are ready please ensure you are with your hi-viz 5 minutes prior the judging time indicated on your score sheet and that you must remain your hi-viz throughout the judging process. 5.3 Once judging commences on your hi-viz no further work can be performed. 5.4 The judging team will comprise individuals selected for their broad knowledge of the hi-viz range who also have specialised knowledge to decide on certain points (particularly originality). 5.5 There will be one team of judges to ensure consistency of judging. Please do not attempt to discuss any matter with the judges whilst they are judging vehicles unless the judge asks a specific question. The judges will spend the same amount of time on each hi-viz. The timekeeper will control this. 5.6 Competitors should affix their competition hanger to the rear of their hi-viz and are asked to display their competition number clearly to help the judges locate it. 5.7 Judging is a difficult job. Please do not talk to or distract the judges during their task. 6 AWARDS There could be trophies for the winners of the classes. 7 RESULTS Results will be available on the day of the concours. The Judges decision is final. Individual score sheets will be forwarded to each competitor after the event. Results will be published somewhere 8 HEALTH AND SAFETY Competitors are reminded that they should take precautions to ensure the Health and Safety of themselves and others, for example: during hi-viz preparation providing a board that is adequate to carry the weight of the garment and large enough to accommodate the size of the wearer to enable them to have a firm base when used on soft, rough or uneven ground. Additional support of hi-viz when raised, i.e. hanging rails, should be used. Competitors should ensure that harmful substances are properly contained and wear any necessary PPE when handling these substances. The concours area is a strictly non smoking area due to the fact that competitors may be using substances that contain flammable materials. Trip hazards should be avoided. The concours area must be kept clear during preparation time with the exception of the Concours Coordinator, the competitors, the concours judges and other appointed officials such as time keepers and marshals in order to avoid a member of the public being hurt. For their own safety whilst a hi-viz is being prepared, any person or persons accompanying competitors (i.e. wives, children or friends) should cease assisting with the preparation and leave the concours area. As part of the judging process competitors may be moved on and off a judging platform/ramp. This operation for Health and Safety reasons will only be undertaken by a Specified person appointed by the Concours Coordinator. The Specified person will be fully insured in the event of accidental damage occurring whilst in their control up to a limit of £1.50. Any competitor with an agreed value greater than this amount must specify their agreed insured value on the official entry form. Any queries or matters arising regarding Health and Safety should be directed to the Concours Coordinator who will refer these to the Operations Director who will be on hand if needed. 9 ENTRIES Entries must be made on the official forms

 

[BartyB]

Strewth James. It looks like you were up all night working on those rules. Without wishing to be pedantic, I wanted to clarify a few points. Firstly, under 2.5 it states "Entries will be restricted to Hi-viz clothing meeting the EN 471:2003 standard." According to my contacts in the Personal Protection Equipment world, this standard was withdrawn in 2013 and has been superseded by the new BS EN ISO 20471:2013 standard. Secondly, it does not state to which Class the garment must meet, ie: Class 1: Minimum level of protection (Trousers, underwear and adult toys not intended for professional use) with minimum 0.14m2 fluorescent material / 0.10m2 retro-reflective material; Class 2: Intermediate level of protection (Sleeveless waistcoats, tabards, bib and brace trousers) with minimum 0.5 m2 fluorescent material / 0.13 m2 retro-reflective material; or Class 3: Highest level of protection (Coats and jackets with sleeves, coveralls, two piece suits) with minimum 0.8 m2 fluorescent material / 0.2 m2 retro-reflective material. I feel the rules will need to be amended and suggest Class 2 would be the appropriate minimum level. Hr. Bartlett Oberhauptmann R31 (erste klasse und bar) Die Cotswold Region - Vorsprung durch frivolitäten

 

[BartyB]

James, You can download an entry form from [link=http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CEYQFjAGahUKEwjJiInwvpHGAhXkltsKHRmSAIU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdyfedpoultrysociety.org.uk%2FWN2015%2FWelsh%2520National%2520Poultry%2520Show%2520Entry%2520Form%25202015.pdf&ei=_Kh-VcmaDOSt7gaZpIKoCA&usg=AFQjCNGiWuBdHMDrcZT7BzqeE7CrVx0m6Q]here[/link]. Just cross out the stuff that doesn't apply. And I thought you'd like to know that your Oberhauptmann has found the official R31 Concours shield. It'll save some space in my garage if we can find someone to award it to. Hr. Bartlett Oberhauptmann R31 (erste klasse und bar) Die Cotswold Region - Vorsprung durch frivolitäten

 

[BartyB]

ORIGINAL: SteveAndrews Personally I would prefer a lesson in how to play Mah Jong as I have suddenly developed a peculiar urge to play this game.

Just out of interest which Mah Yong rules are you playing to? I am aware of the Kun Ming Eternal Spring and West Drayton rules (where a pong is made up of identical tiles) but as R31's Chinese Cultural Advisor and wok restoration specialist, we thought you may wish to enlighten us on this point and preferably with an English translation if possible, as less than 10% of the Region's membership are fluent Cantonese speakers*. Hr. Bartlett Oberhauptmann R31 (erste klasse und bar) Die Cotswold Region - Vorsprung durch frivolitäten * Research carried out by Ruth Less Market Research (Godalming) Ltd

 

[brickell]

HI Alan, It didn't take that long, just adapting rules to a similar event I found. I didn't fully check as these rules were first drawn up pre-2010 so there might be a few details that have been superseded. Regarding the protection level as this was a fun event not a full on professional hi-viz concourse I thought just a few broad categories allows it to be open to all.

 

[brickell]

I do have a High Vis armband

Are these not inflatable and come in pairs to aid swimming? Do you also have the matching hi-viz inflatable rubber ring with a ducks head to go around your middle?

 

[brickell]

I feel the rules will need to be amended and suggest Class 2 would be the appropriate minimum level.

In the work category I agree but for the New/leisure category I think class 1 would be ok.

 

[brickell]

Found some more info [link=http://www.poultryclub.org/]here[/link]

 

[Graham-S]

Maaari isang tao bang ilagay ito sa plain lumang magandang Ingles! Quelqu'un peut-il s'il vous plaît mettre cela dans le simple bon vieil anglais ! A all rhywun os gwelwch yn dda roi hyn mewn hen Saesneg da blaen !

 

[KIRK]

Who ruined the continuity of this thread with some utter nonsense about meeting up to get to climb a hill with some Bugs? There was no mention of Hi Vis or any poultry related themes that was discernable. Please note that the committee has stated that planning for this serious R31 event must take precedence over any other doings by the car interest arm: PCGB. Obergruppen Alan will get very annoyed if there are any further unwarranted interjections. Furthermore please pay attention to Poultry Club GB chicken rule 42 (i) states that: All Hi Vis and fowl related threads started on the Poultry Club GB forum must adhere to strict linearity of purpose and any persons deviating from said purpose risk spending a couple of nights cooped up with a randy Leg Bar rooster named Derek. The exception to this rule 42 (ii) is when it is a wednesday, there is an "R" in the month and the wind is blowing from the east. To save typing and to avoid confusion between PCGB and PCGB I suggest that PcCGB should be short hand for car related element of the club whilst PCGB should be the Poultry Club GB. After all we were formed some number of years before cars were even invented. James, it is so kind of you to cut and paste the rules from elsewhere. I was not taken in like our Obergruppenen F who thought you had been working hard. But can you make sure that you make the appropriate changes to the text next time to try to avoid claims of plaigiarism, plaggierasm, plugarism oh bother copying. Did you ask for permission from the copyright holder of the text you nicked? We can not afford further legal costs after last year's debacle concerning that unfortunate incident between Chinese Steve and the priceless prize winning Rhode Island and the wok. James I think that your logo of chicken with Hi Vis is superb and move that we adopt said logo forthwith or sooner if at all possible? OAP PS Graham just be careful what you are saying otherwise you will not see 50,000 miles.