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To respray or not to respray

ORIGINAL: pixie*porsche

Carrera - did you say you're putting a 944 badge panel in? If so what are you doing with your 924 turbo badge panel? I'm looking for a 924 turbo badge panel for my 944. :)

I have put a 944 Turbo front section in it to enable a 944 turbo intercooler. The original badge panel was destroyed whilst trying to remove it as it had been seam welded in the past. Luckily I had already sourced an excellent bolt on turbo panel beforehand. Expect to pay circa £100 for a turbo panel which was spot welded on. A lot more for a mint bolt on panel. Then you'll need to pay £15-20 each for the four plastic vents!!

There is a panel on ebay currently. Still spot welded to its nose section.

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ORIGINAL: MGBV8
I wouldn't put too much faith in the protective qualities of 30 year old galvanisation to the shell.
Look how many cars are out there with knacked sills. If it was that great, none of us would ever worry about bodywork!

Have a little faith brother [;)]

They're not all rot boxes - this off a nearly 32 year old car . . .



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ORIGINAL: vincematthews

ORIGINAL: MGBV8
I wouldn't put too much faith in the protective qualities of 30 year old galvanisation to the shell.
Look how many cars are out there with knacked sills. If it was that great, none of us would ever worry about bodywork!

Have a little faith brother [;)]

They're not all rot boxes - this off a nearly 32 year old car . . .



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It does appear the earlier 924's are fairing better the than later 944's with the rusty sill syndrome. Will take a picture of my inner sills soon. They are certainly very solid when checked from the outside and underneath
 
Also don't forget the hidden extras of a respray. You don't want to refit the car with old faded and worn parts on fresh paint. I've just bought

Sunroof seal
New door mirror and handle gaskets
Number plates, mounts and lights
Intercooler mounts, fixings
Decal set, pinstripes
Stainless nuts, bolts and washers
Black screws
Washer nozzles
etc. etc.

Just fainted when I added up the last months worth of purchases ........ just shy of £500!!

Thats added to the replacement bonnet, wings, badge panel, 944 nose, headlight units, intercooler which was another £400
 
ORIGINAL: CarreraRSR

Also don't forget the hidden extras of a respray. You don't want to refit the car with old faded and worn parts on fresh paint. I've just bought

Just fainted when I added up the last months worth of purchases ........ just shy of £500!!

Thats added to the replacement bonnet, wings, badge panel, 944 nose, headlight units, intercooler which was another £400

Hmmmm - not surprised - its what makes me wary - yours is starting to look good though. I've got 'new' wings and badge panel already which were about £150 but they still need prepping. I can see me getting any change out of 3k. I think it has to be regarded as a labour of love rather than a commercial venture though.

What was the filler on the rear for - seemed to be in unusual places?

At least I've got a 944 now which I can sell to fund the paint job!!! [8D]
 
ORIGINAL: vincematthews

Hmmmm - not surprised - its what makes me wary - yours is starting to look good though. I've got 'new' wings and badge panel already which were about £150 but they still need prepping. I can see me getting any change out of 3k. I think it has to be regarded as a labour of love rather than a commercial venture though.

What was the filler on the rear for - seemed to be in unusual places?

At least I've got a 944 now which I can sell to fund the paint job!!! [8D]

The rear boot panel must have had a 'parking' ding in the past and although beaten out it still needed some massaging. Unsure about the rear quarters as there is no sign of any bumps or scrapes. I think its a skim as the body guy has a very good eye for imperfections.

This is a £3.5k +VAT job although we have come to an agreement. I will still have to re fit all the exterior which is saving approx £500. I am sure there will be a few other tasks I'll be lumbered with like refinishing the inside wheel arches of some inevitable over spray. If you wanted this job done with no work yourself and have a turn key refurb then I reckon on £4k - £5k +VAT all day long.

Is it commercially viable? - No chance, not now or for the future!!

Will I be a laughing stock for spending this much on a 924? - Damn right (already has GAZ Gold suspension, Cobra buckets, new clutch last Summer + many other new parts and improvements)

Will I be happy ? - No, not looking at my bills and empty bank account. Yes, When its finished and enjoying some car shows and a few early morning blasts over the Mendips.

 
ORIGINAL: CarreraRSR

Will I be a laughing stock for spending this much on a 924? - Damn right (already has GAZ Gold suspension, Cobra buckets, new clutch last Summer + many other new parts and improvements)

Will I be happy ? - No, not looking at my bills and empty bank account. Yes, When its finished and enjoying some car shows and a few early morning blasts over the Mendips.

Don't be so hard on yourself - who are others to say what is worth spending money on - when its finished and looking good, you'll soon forget how you got there . . .
 

ORIGINAL: vincematthews

ORIGINAL: MGBV8
I wouldn't put too much faith in the protective qualities of 30 year old galvanisation to the shell.
Look how many cars are out there with knacked sills. If it was that great, none of us would ever worry about bodywork!

Have a little faith brother [;)]

They're not all rot boxes - this off a nearly 32 year old car . . .



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Very nice. Unfortunately, the exception doesn't disprove the rule. I don't care to think how many snotters we had to crawl underneath before Nicola found a 944 she was happy with.
 
Picked the car up on Friday night, trailered it to Ace Cafe meet today. Here's a few pics. Just need to find the time to fit it all back out over the coming weeks. Really pleased with the results. Will start to look better once a few more parts are back on it.

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Looks great, and while I'm not the biggest fan of the two tone scheme, I am a huge fan or originality so its great to see it look as it did from the factory, keep the pic's coming as it gets finished off
 
I do my own paint it's not as difficult as people make out..

but it is a time eater..

I know a few guys down my way that charge better rates than most.. They look to keep the shop busy all the time rather than jobs here and there if your stuck. But for a shop to offer £2000-£2500 for all that work i would say that was a decent price depending on the quality of the work..

also remember if you do alot of the prep work then it should cost you less or they spend more time doing a better job.. I had to learn how to paint because I couldn't addord to pay the prices

I have painted 15+ cars now.. so much so my mate sees me as a painter and he has been in the trade for years ( since leaving school ) He says I do a better job as my time is not accountable which is right..

I always stick to one way to do a car and allways use the same paper numbers at each stage never take short cuts and never rush it..

my current project is abit more different..

I am touching in on this VERY orginal paint car in a Metalic Bronze on the arches edges so far it's coming out as good as the day it left the facotry floor and yes it's rediculusly low miles hidden away British Leyland Austin Allegro 1500Super it's not a bad car to be fair never been welded never needs to be..

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But learning to do your own paint also makes you learn how to polish a car properly..

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The roof that's the orginal paint that has not seen a polish rag for 20 years!! 5 stage process with no fancy polishes just trade polish and knowing what to do with it..

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and that is what I am trying to say ... does your car NEED to be repainted.. you can if you know what your doing polish back a car with some touch ups.

Our T5 camper van had a stone chip that rusted and made a right mess ended up being 2" by the time I stopped finding rust webs in the metal.. I treated it built up the primers and then painted it all with a brush.. cut it back polished it back 3 stage and now it's perfect with no spray work needed just time and some skill.. you can't see it!! and I know it's there!

I have won anumber of awards with my cars at different shows one VW show I won 4 times on the go I didn't go the 5th time people started to not like me LOL but you can do alot with paint before you have to start with new paint and sanding..

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one that is more well known.. does not look like that now.. :-( total lack of interest and stupidly polished it once with a different polish and it's got scratches on it now.. but will cut back and build back up again in the future when I can be bothered with classic Porsches again so stuffed in a lock up the last few years..
 
ORIGINAL: CarreraRSR
Picked the car up on Friday night, trailered it to Ace Cafe meet today. Here's a few pics. Just need to find the time to fit it all back out over the coming weeks. Really pleased with the results. Will start to look better once a few more parts are back on it.

Nice one - it really glows . . . very envious of the wheels too [:)].
I assume you're going to detail the junction between the two colours and over the wheel arches?
What did the guys at Ace think?


ORIGINAL: 912UK
I had to learn how to paint because I couldn't addord to pay the prices
But learning to do your own paint also makes you learn how to polish a car properly..
The roof that's the orginal paint that has not seen a polish rag for 20 years!! 5 stage process with no fancy polishes just trade polish and knowing what to do with it..

I treated it built up the primers and then painted it all with a brush.. cut it back polished it back 3 stage and now it's perfect with no spray work needed just time and some skill.

Did you learn from somebody or was it trial and error?
Are you saying you're touching in with a brush rather than a spray?
Would be interested in knowing what trade polish you use . . .
 
It has been fitted up a little further last Sunday. Front lights, bumper, badge panel, mirrors etc. I also placed a black 9mm pinstripe down the side to break up the white and red. A new set of plastic mouldings are GBP 240!! so a 4 quid roll of tape will do for the time being. I also have a 6mm red pinstripe to do in due course. It was too cold on Sunday to be able to stretch it around the contours of the wheel arches.

Its having a Safety Devices roll cage fitted this week. I plan to remove a few more Kgs of the tar sound deadening before the carpet and Cobra buckets get reinstalled. I have just secured some black manual door mirrors as per the GTS and a good pair of Porsche script door cards for the re fit. Plan is to have it completed by the Easter weekend!!

I may give it a run up to Cornbury House in a few weeks for the Cotswold Rally.
 
Vince yes brush the paint on and then cut it back.. with solid colours that is. I used a rubber plug I thought looked useful years back from Martin Rubber when I was looking round there on a visit it was going in the bin.. 1 1/2" by 2 cm thick and I have wet and dry that has a sticky back for my pads so I cut it heat to fit and use it with water and soap as like a mini block.. takes time but works..

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is the trade polishes. it's what the body shops use.. ok they might ( some of them ) use a fancy top coat but I can tell you now all this fancy polish is nice but gimic really..

I do use a top coat that is a bit more fancy hence the depth of the shine.. it's more a sealant than a polish

is this

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I get it from the US when I am over there.. it's the best I have ever come across and only about £20 in the US.

I think I got it once on offer at £10 I thought give it go all this wax stuff people were on about..well it's abit of a result find really..

Polish in the US is so much cheaper I bought back loads of different stuff I use for my cars in the US in the back of my car when I shipped it back.. white wall cleaner £2.00 uk price £9.99 Mothers polish I use £8 UK Price £17-19 Mothers Ali cleaner £4 UK price £12 ... my boot was rather full mind you it was a Mercedes S class so it had some room in there. along side the Porsche engine in the boot [:)]


sorry YOu asked how I learnt well it was trial and error and a good mentor in both Alan a paint shop owner I know ( who I knew after I learnt but has been very helpful in his tips ) and the orginal mentor Clive who owned the paintshop supplies place. On a Sat AM he was normaly busy so I used to just sit it out and talk to him between customers.. in the end making tea and coffee for him and me and we would have chats and he used to show me all the products so I had a bible of understanding but not ever painted a car before!! so I started and my first car was a Black VW Golf funny I just found the old photo's of it.. As long as you stuck the rules and didn't take short cuts then your be ok.. Black was the worse colour to learn on ( well best really ) as any short cuts show though at the last stage [&:] so I painted a panel at a time with the car in a single garage.. I had a really lucky break and bought a S/H Sata Jet Gun.. at the time it was just a nice gun.. but when time went on I later found I had bought one of the best guns I have no idea why it was for sale in the local paper or if was er fallen off the back of a lorry but either way I have had it 17 years now..

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I played with Celi for a while and learnt how to push the limits with less or more thinners and getting factory finish in black off the gun.. with not much polishing needed just how the paint shops do it.. I learnt alot about the things they did and in time I think nothing of going my own cars as and when Ineed them..

I only recently blew over a quater panel on a little run about KA .. I have to say I again though it being winter and the work shop rather full I painted the primmer ( filler primer ) on with a brush and wet and dryed it back.. then when that was ready then blew over the top coats with the gun..

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nothing good about this other than it was a crash damaged daily for running about in and it was cheap cheap.. but that wa soff the gun finish.. in my rather crowded garage..

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I sold it in the end to a neighbour.. anyway what I am saying is you can do alot to paint before you need to do a full on repaint or you can at least do the prep work to the car to save on the man hours. you don't even need a compressor.. you can use a Blower unit.. I have for quickness even though I have a big compressor.. a B&Q blower unit PRO tool works a treat hardly any over spray being it's HVLP and it's brill.. £50

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but mine has a metal spray gun not a cheap plastic thing and it's had loads of 2pk though it.. Mask wise I have a propper 3m double carridge and I also have a airfed mask.. but a double filter with a HVLP for primer work and out the door would be ok.
 
Thanks - good stuff and tips. I've got a couple of spare wings and a badge panel (all the wrong colour) that I could practice on once the weather gets a bit warmer.
I did recently scrape the plastic airdam/bumper on a car on a low wall below my line of vision and repaired that with minimal materials so you'd never know (except you do now lol). Plastic isn't the same as preping metal though . . .
 
yes it is.. as such. You may find 400 grit will restore alot of the surface and then you use suitable primers for plastic. these are normaly 2pk and again to help min the risk of painting with 2pk I just mix in a small amount and brush on.. then I can wet and dry the primer with a mask with out fear of spraying it.. it's only later when I spray the base coat or top clear laqur that you need a good double filter mask.. I also use a HVLP gun to min the over spray..

Oh ref the warmth I use a hot air gun to warm the panel so when you paint its drying and flashing off quick then use the hot air gun to ( not too hot ) keep the air around the job warm.. lots of tricks I was spraying in Dec and Jan in my car port only parts but still came up fine.. just have to know what to do.

I am currently respraying the front valance to the Allegro.. and I brushed the High build filler primer on the car and 800'd it down and then sprayed the base coat for now.. Base coat is not too harmful but a mask is needed.. once I am happy I will mix the clear laqur in my mini gun ready.. I have had mixed the base coat in 2pk in a can ready.. then I spray the final base coat on and then straight on with the clear coat so it drys togeather with the base coat and then it will be fine..

yeah try playing with your wings even if you just get as far as all the base coats and primers with a dust of top coat to hand over to a body shop your still be saving..

if you want to know more I am more than happy to chat on the phone but have a pen ready will the info I will down load your brain with..

I did have it all listed out on my web site classic356.co.uk but with one thing and another I was prob abit too commited to the working on cars than others and though a falling out I lost all interest in classic porsches and let the site go till the hosting bill was due I just let the site go but kept the domain name for later when I feel like it..so Sorry unless any one printed it out it's all gone..

I have been playing with these mini spray guns they are nice I have to say.. for a panel then you need a full gun but for touching in it's good..I ordered another one for base coat..
 

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