Took the plunge
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pauljmcnulty
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looks great! I'd do the belts before driving it unless there's recent evidence that they're new, it's worth it for peace of mind.
texpis
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Cheers paul
It does have a service history the last service was late 07 just befor it was taken off the road. It was seviced by Cridfords of surry I will ring them tomorow yo see what was done. I may change them anyway for peace of mind. What is the deal with the waterpump if it fails does it take the timing belt with it?
Mick
It does have a service history the last service was late 07 just befor it was taken off the road. It was seviced by Cridfords of surry I will ring them tomorow yo see what was done. I may change them anyway for peace of mind. What is the deal with the waterpump if it fails does it take the timing belt with it?
Mick
Suffolk944
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+1 for the comments above. Thats a very smart looking car - congratulations 
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pauljmcnulty
Active member
It's recommended, but also because most cars are on the original unless recently changed. Same as the cam chain and slipper on 16V engines. I'd also do oil seals and rollers whilst you're at it, then sit back and do belts every 4 years/40K miles knowing you've covered the other problems that might come up. My Lux was effectively stored for 18 months and it needed the oil seals changing, and a new belt replacing again as it was covered in oil. [:'(]
sawood12
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The waterpump thing is one of those popular thoughts. I'm not convinced but don't know enough about it to have really taken the risk. The car I had, had a full service history right back to new and a very extensive maintenance history and I bought the car with 100k miles on it and it had had 2 belt changes and I carried out a third during my ownership and it was all on the original pump. The 2 specialists I used didn't advocate changing the pump regularly as they didn't think there was a problem with them at all and frowned when I told them it seems to be common practice, but there are other specialists who reckon they've seen cars with waterpump issues that have caused them to advise the pumps are replaced regularly. As far as i'm aware it isn't a regular replacement item if you were servicing at an OPC. But I guess for the sake of a few hundred quid every 80k miles or 8 years it is probably worth the piece of mind.
robwright
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In general with all cars it is advised to change the water pump with the cambelt as a new tight cambelt will put extra strain on an already worn pump and cause it to fail shortly after. Or so they tell you. I think it is mainly garage profit pushing. When you get the belts off make an assessment on the pump, rollers and tensioners and then make a decision based upon what you see. I have never chnged a water pump on any car I have done the cambelt on and never once has one failed.
ChasR
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As said, it depends on who you go to.
One local specialist said to me not to even change the tensioners until they start making noises etc. as 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'. They did recommend for me to change the slipper pads and chain mind you. Another said to change the tensioners at every belt change reckoning that they let go before anything else. Both thought changing the pump was not quite necessary.
I reckon the quality of the antifreeze and proportion of it affects pump life. Or at least my Mondeo's one was fine via that theory (ran on nothing but Ford's 10 year antifreeze (was changed 2 to 3 times in the car's life)) and at 390k, the engine was still on the original waterpump.
One local specialist said to me not to even change the tensioners until they start making noises etc. as 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'. They did recommend for me to change the slipper pads and chain mind you. Another said to change the tensioners at every belt change reckoning that they let go before anything else. Both thought changing the pump was not quite necessary.
I reckon the quality of the antifreeze and proportion of it affects pump life. Or at least my Mondeo's one was fine via that theory (ran on nothing but Ford's 10 year antifreeze (was changed 2 to 3 times in the car's life)) and at 390k, the engine was still on the original waterpump.
Suffolk944
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ORIGINAL: robwright
John in your signature after you said when it finally arrives from across the pond you forgot to add and I get massively bummed for import tax [
Yup, you've got to love the tax man ! [&o][
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Got my belts and rollers changed at reputable independant, they said the waterpump was ok and didn't need replacing, which ended up with the pump seizing 6 months later and 4 bent exhaust valves and a lot of time repairing it. The extra few hundred quid that I could have paid then was considerably cheaper than the 400 or so quid I have spent so far paying for new belts, rollers,pump, cam cover cos I broke the old one taking it off and exhaust valves never mind the money on a new gasket head set so I would say get it done.
Hey, pretty looking cab. Good to have another S2 owner on here.
Belts and waterpumps. Certainly do the belts. Have a look at the cam chain and slippers/tensioners, as these can lead to an expensive cam replacement if neglected. Water pump? There have been various discussions on here about replacing them, and I think I'm probably with the 'garage profiteering' mindset.
Oli.
Belts and waterpumps. Certainly do the belts. Have a look at the cam chain and slippers/tensioners, as these can lead to an expensive cam replacement if neglected. Water pump? There have been various discussions on here about replacing them, and I think I'm probably with the 'garage profiteering' mindset.
Oli.
Scott's made some good points there. FWIW when my S2 went in to have belts and rollers done the specialist's view was that they would inspect the water pump whilst they were in there and make a judgement. There was evidence of a slight leak around the shaft seal/bearing, I recall, and for that reason they advised replacement as it was already stripped down. An expensive decision, mind...the pump was £322 from the local OPC. Ouch.
The alternative is to leave it and risk joining 944cop with a top end rebuild when it fails...
The alternative is to leave it and risk joining 944cop with a top end rebuild when it fails...
texpis
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Ouch that sounds expensive I will have a look when I strip it down doesn,t look like the belts have been done for god knows when! On another point I want to tidy it up the front wings and sills seem to be okay (on initial inspection) but the rear wings at the bottom are rusty I have searched the net but cannot find repair panels can these be bought?
Mick
Mick
texpis
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What do we recon to these. At a guess with tax and postage about £150 is this a good price? cheapest I could find in good old Blighty was £250
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-PORSCHE-944-944S2-S2-WATER-PUMP-Gasket-89-90-91_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c0b4573d7QQitemZ120448185303QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-PORSCHE-944-944S2-S2-WATER-PUMP-Gasket-89-90-91_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c0b4573d7QQitemZ120448185303QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
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