Turbo gone GTR coming

[carreraboy]

Drove the GT-R recently while looking for a similar money GT3. The first thing I noticed was the total lack of any exhaust noise, apparently Middlehurst will do a £3000 option but this negates the Warranty ... must say found it Souless, I would think though it would grow on you. Value for money has to be the winner here, but there is something special about the old 911 more so the air-cooled cars ..... [&:]

 

[beavercraig]

ORIGINAL: phil993 Now have to report that, to my surprise, this car is growing on me and I have to say it definitely has character but this is more of a kind of XStation Playbox sort of vibe. It has a fantastic gearbox and now find I am not leaving it in auto at all and am now flicking paddles almost unconsciously - it certainly seems to have a kind of soul.  It's almost reassuring to find that it is flawed as the ride is rock hard whatever you do so I have the luxury of forgiving it for doing something not perfectly. I scraped side of front splitter on the kerb and was not surprised to be quoted £1100 for replacement - I thought the 996 Aerokit front P.u. was dear at £500 but now missing the bargains that are Porsche parts prices in comparison.  I will be living with the scratches! Going in for its 1200 miles optimisation next week so will henceforth be pedal to metal but no trackdays with these tyres! I find myself inexplicably looking at a 1986 Carrera on Pistonheads - now what's that about.....

Went down to look at these two cars at the weekend! On the GTR forum cheapest tyres seem to be New Dunlops at £1150, tyres only. The forum suggests 6000 miles for a full set ONLY! The car I drove was rock hard, very techy!, Surprisingly I noticed NO one looked at it on the test drive. Thats something that doesn't happen with my 996TT. Dury is still out. Forum suggest its very very fast, Quicker than even new PDK turbo. I suppose you make your choice and pay your money! There are some scary stories on parts though. The pedestrial crash zone thingy on the above link seems amazing. The guy was aked by Nissan to post an update

 

[sailor]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy Drove the GT-R recently while looking for a similar money GT3. The first thing I noticed was the total lack of any exhaust noise, apparently Middlehurst will do a £3000 option but this negates the Warranty ... must say found it Souless, I would think though it would grow on you. Value for money has to be the winner here, but there is something special about the old 911 more so the air-cooled cars ..... [&:]

Say it again, Sam []

 

[DivineE]

I think the man with the GTR's got it right. You need both! You can't replace a 911 with a GTR.. but you CAN cure your need for speed with one allowing you to buy a basic, non turbo, rwd, 'pure' form of 911 without longing for the G force thrills of a turbo.

 

[944s2]

Intersting article in Autocar this week GTr/R8/Turbo How do their comments compare with ownership experience?

 

[hdoherty]

no disrespect, but they have copied everything, you have got a nissan and really when you look at servicing costs you will be appalled. not to look at if you hit the kerb 11000.00gbp repairs. I am a true porsche ???? you make the statement.

 

[phil993]

Good article but not so relevant in the real world. For me the R8 is not feasible as I want to be able to drive to Italy 2 up with luggage. As a track day tool I don't think I will take the GTR out due to cost of tyres and the fact that the gearbox oil will go over 130 degrees which means you must replace at cost of £600 so the track comparison is interesting but not much more than that. If I get back into a 911 which I probably will I am thinking 997 gt3 comfort spec which will probably tick all the boxes for me.....

 

[sawood12]

This GT-R has really sparked off a spat. I really think that Porsche doesn't have to raise its game at all - it is pretty much as raised as any other car manufacturer out there- Nissan included. As good as the GT-R is, in reality when all things are considered to me at least, the 911 turbo still seems the much better all-round car, and given the cost of the GT-R to own and run, the initial purchase price doesn't appear to be the steal it first appears (that old trick of selling the product off at little or no profit and making your returns in the aftermarket). Though I do like the way Nissan appears to answer peoples concerns on public forums. It would be nice if a Porsche representative popped up on here to answer for the company when people have issues with their new cars. The thing that hit me about the Autocar review is that even though the GT-R is marginally faster round the track (by 0.3 seconds!), the 911 turbo is still the much faster accelerating machine, and by some margin. I saw a Drivers Republic video about 6 months ago had a Carerra S PDK beat a GT-R and a v8 R8 from a standing start. Also Autocar didn't really give the other cars a fair crack of the whip. I would have like them to have posted a time while the track was still wet after the comments that the turbo was easier to drive fast in the wet. So that left me wondering that with the GT-R being slightly quicker round the ring and a track - so what? If you take the track time party piece out of the equation the 911 turbo stikes me as still being the better car in all other aspects - chaper to run, better fuel economy, more environmentally friendly, nicer interior etc. Clearly if you are a mega track-head who is bothered about track times then the GT-R will do it for you, but personally i'd rather have the quicker accellaration of the 911 turbo. After experiencing the accelaration of a 996 turbo i've been smitten. Given the draconian way the speed limits on our roads are enforced these days and the busyness of those once fabulous B-roads, the only way to get thrills in a car these days it to get to the speed limit as quickly as possible. The GT-R is a fabulous car though - a triumph of engineering and electronic wizzardry, it has certaily grown on me, though if I had £58k to spend on a car I would probably plump for something else such as an M3 or Cayman - slower round the ring maybe, but much nicer and more natural to drive i'm sure. For me it is not soley about how fast a proffessional racing driver can get these cars round the ring. Anyhow, all academic for me as I can afford either! My next sportscar purchase is a few years off yet unfortunately - but it will be a Porsche for sure.