turbo track car on pistonheads

[Peter Empson]

ORIGINAL: Fen

Is it the same stuff as Eaton S/Cs use? I've read about it on Mini2.com and remember it's expensive, but I think it's available.

Edited to add link: http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120296679549&indexURL=

Hi Fen, Procharger claims there's is unique to them and the only oil that will guarantee reliability, now of course they would say this, but I ideally wanted to start with this oil to remove one more variable from the initial setup.

 

[944 man]

ORIGINAL: Andy97

The white roundels and electrical cut out & fire extinguisher indicate that it may have been prepared with racing in mind...but then the electrical windows and sun roof are still in place...

I think the intention was that it looks that way: I think that it is just a facsimile though. Im not convinced that the electrical cutout and extinguisher pulls are legal. The blue book says '...the circuit breaker triggering system on saloons should be located at the lower part of the windscreen mounting, preferably on the drivers side or below the rear window...' (the extinguisher pull handle only has to be alongside). You could argue that theyre 'below the rear window', but you could also argue that thay are only just above the rear bumper. Id be extremely surprised if the scrutes would pass it and even if they would: Id prefer to drive a car which had the pull handles mounted under the windscreen like everyone else...

 

[944 man]

This isn't a big problem in itself of course; but I think that it is an indicator. When something as simple as this isn't done particularly well, you have to wonder about the level of preparation in the rest of the car too...

 

[edh]

It's certainly an odd thing to do - shouldn't be too hard to sort though?

 

[944 man]

Quite easy I agree, but it would make me wonder how well everything else had been done.

 

[Fen]

...which is how I started to view the car when I started to really think about it after my initial "wow, that looks good" reaction.

 

[pauly]

ORIGINAL: Diver944

I am too....anyone fancy a blue 400 turbo? []

Go on then, the engine would be nice in mine. []

 

[edh]

OK - more info from the owner

"The car has had several owners and was a road car when I bought - although in a bit of a state, but since the intention was to convert to a sprint / track car it wasn't a problem. I have a box full f receipts and service history etc which must be at least two inches thick.

If it has had any work on the bottom end it hasn't by me - I've looked through the papers and cannot see anything that stands out.

Standard 26/6 - Boost control is manual, although the map obviously takes into account boost levels etc - There are a whole host of features which I haven't even looked at yet.

It uses adapter for the disks / calipers - The kit came from America.

Forgot to add that the roll bar is also up-rated front and rear to Cup spec. "

 

[Fen]

I'm going to try not to be too negative as I could (quite reasonably) be accused of having a broadly similar car available for sale myself and hence a conflict of interest. I'll leave it at this:

Was any of that latest update good news?

 

[edh]

ORIGINAL: Fen

I'm going to try not to be too negative as I could (quite reasonably) be accused of having a broadly similar car available for sale myself and hence a conflict of interest. I'll leave it at this:

Was any of that latest update good news?

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- It just helps in putting a price on this car I think - it's a 220 track car with aftermarket EMS (not necessarily a good thing as it's another variable to worry about), and LSD.

Where is your car advertised Fen?

 

[Fen]

Mine isn't advertised at the moment, but I'd rather sell it than export it and I need to do one or the other.

It's not got a few of the things this one has (cage, fire extinguisher, fully stripped interior), though it has some bits this one doesn't have as well and I'd want a little bit more than £6,500 for it. Perhaps I'm just biased, but as I've learned more about the yellow one I've started to think mine is actually worth a bit more.

It's there and it's available. I can give you a comprehensive spec if you want, including what I'd do to it next and what I see as its weaknesses.

 

[edh]

I think this yellow car was only a prospect for me if it was completely ready to go - and available for around the 5k mark, otherwise I might as well carry on developing my own car. I'd like to get to something more track focused - particularly to make it lighter, but just with a half cage & probably some lightweight carpet to help keep the noise down a bit.

Yours is quite different, a nicer spec (from what I remember from previous posts), and would be too much ££ for me.

One thing - I can't help thinking it your car would be a more attractive / saleable prospect with a half cage / harnesses in, & compared to what you've spent already it's a fairly cheap job.

 

[944 man]

I wouldnt be comfortable paying half of the asking price for this car. In my opinion it is massively over valued by the vendor and if he does sell it for anywhere near the asking price: then I think that peoples judgement has been clouded by a number of cheap and easy adaptions.

 

[edh]

Bit harsh I think - £3k doesn't even get you rough 220 turbo. This has new clutch, rebuild gearbox, top end rebuild, fresh suspension, before you take any mods into consideration. With a bigger turbo & late hubs it would be a better prospect.

 

[944 man]

It is harsh I agree and sensibly priced cars are getting harder to find. I messed about for too long last year and missed out on a perfectly good 220 from Paul Higginson. I was about to start converting the old 944.1 that I have now into a track car and it (the 220 that Paul was selling) was too nice to gut. The as-is price was £1,200 (it had unmarked sports bolsters too).

I would argue that a rough 220 isnt worth anything like £3,000. Im sure that we will disagree over values of these cars though.

 

[Peter Empson]

ORIGINAL: edh

Bit harsh I think - £3k doesn't even get you rough 220 turbo. This has new clutch, rebuild gearbox, top end rebuild, fresh suspension, before you take any mods into consideration. With a bigger turbo & late hubs it would be a better prospect.

My thoughts exactly, as I mentioned previously if it had better track oriented suspension then I'd be happier, but it should still be a good starting point and a lot cheaper than building it yourself.

I think £5k is probably closer to what I'd want to pay if I was in the market. I might have considered buying it for £2-3k if it was accident damaged and wanted to part it out, I think you could recoup your money quite easily (assuming they're genuine Cup 1's and so on).

 

[Hilux]

I wouldnt be comfortable paying half of the asking price for this car. In my opinion it is massively over valued

Disagree but think its priced to sell for less.

1) Its a proven car
2) It seems to have been well looked after with probably proven recent history - rare these days when buying
3) All of the main systems are new or have been carefully uprated
4) If you`ve never modded or prepped or uprated cars then you NEVER recover more than 40% of the cost of the mods but I can only see £4000 ish sunk into it at specialist prices in my opinion
4) Only issues: I dont know why a track enthusiast has almost standard suspension so I would need to factor in £££`s for KWV3 and W/M ARB`s and how is the front lightened??



Significantly modified 1986 944 Turbo - 173k miles with circa 300bhp available depending on boost.

This car has had a fortune spent on it and now must make way for another project - I will be very sad to see it go after all the hard work.

Upgrades are as follows:

Engine - Bespoke engine management (Link G2), uprated Lindsey racing intercooler, big injectors 72lb, Lindsey racing dual port wastegate with variable boost, recently had top end rebuild

Transmission - New gearbox pinion bearings, LSD with new transmission oil cooler, Spec 2 race clutch and Lindsey racing lightweight alluminium flywheel

Body - Lightened, front splitter, Safety Device roll cage, race seats, harnesses.

Brakes / Suspension - Uprated shock absorbers (Similar to MO30), uprated calipers - Front - Big Blacks with 993 TT Front Discs, Rear - 964C4 Calipers

Wheels / Tyres - 17" Cup 1s with Toyo Proxy 888 tyres (about 50% worn)

Safety equipment - Fully plumbed in fire extinguisher and ignition cut out.

 

[edh]

ORIGINAL: 944 man

It is harsh I agree and sensibly priced cars are getting harder to find. I messed about for too long last year and missed out on a perfectly good 220 from Paul Higginson. I was about to start converting the old 944.1 that I have now into a track car and it (the 220 that Paul was selling) was too nice to gut. The as-is price was £1,200 (it had unmarked sports bolsters too).

I would argue that a rough 220 isnt worth anything like £3,000. Im sure that we will disagree over values of these cars though.

I've just been down to ph! - my car's there next Thursday to get belt tension checked. I was very tempted by an early white turbo that Paul had a couple of years ago - very cheap & with fuchs/can can (Peter's dream car? [])

 

[944 man]

That might have been the very car. By the time that Id made my mind up and decided to buy it and gut it anyway, he had sold it through a short auction on eBay. I think that it sold for about £2,000.

I realise that it wont go down well here, but my opinions on the values of these cars are very similar to PHs...

 

[944 man]

Paul, whilst I see your point: I see the vehicle very differently to you.

Transaxle: new pinion bearings are all well and good: Id expect it to be relatively quiet. but theres no mention of the LSD. Thats going to need rebuilding as Id be surprised if it locks 4% now, let alone 40%.
Lightened? Not really, the carpets and a couple of sound deadening mats have been removed, along wit h the rear seat.
Preparation: the emergency pulls arent well sited, or legal. When something as fundamental as this has had corners cut for ease then how well do you think that the SD cage has been installed. It might be as good a job as Kev Eacock would do, but Im not confident.
The suspension is inadequate.

The extinguisher should be mounted fore and aft too.