Tyres- that old chesnut

[Robertb]

I have done a search and looked at the tech articles, but haven't really found the answer...

The rear tyres on my 993 (17in wheels) are looking a bit slick-like, so I think it is time for a new set of boots all round. Currently have Contis, which seem OK but not wedded to them and I have read some negative comments.

I have checked with Micheldever who offer a full set of N rated tyres for under £500 all in, and suggested Bridgestone S02 or Pirelli P0 rosso. I assume there are others.

So... what brand/type would you recommend? Any comments, both positive and negative would be v helpful.

Thanks

 

[Guest]

Hi,

I have conti's and find them ok I have tried Pirelli P0 rosso's and didn't like them be careful as you have to get the mix right front to back check the Pirelli website If I remember correct you need directionale on the front and asimmetric on the back. Have had S02's all round on my 964......lovely[] and would recommend try here http://www.mytyres.co.uk/start.html

 

[911sse]

As much as I hate to admit it and although you'd have to watch them like a hawk

Kwik Fit are the cheapest for tyres at the moment, since you get a discount equivalent to not paying VAT.

 

[38F3E1]

ORIGINAL: MoC2S

Hi Robert

S02s were approved on the 993, so will be fine. Rossos were not originally approved for 993s, but were for later 911s, so again fine.

Some love one, some love the other. Some even love Contis !

17" users please chime in !!

cheers, Maurice []

As a 17" aficionado I used to love the original Pirelli's approved for the 993 (pre Rosso) but they are not available anymore [&:]. I have never been enthusiastic about the Continentals currently fitted.

I have a question regarding S02s as I am thinking about them for my next change. I keep seeing S02As mentioned. Are these different to S02s? and if so which are approved and anybody got an opinion on which are better for the 993.

Ian.

 

[Sundeep]

ORIGINAL: ian_uk

ORIGINAL: MoC2S

Hi Robert

S02s were approved on the 993, so will be fine. Rossos were not originally approved for 993s, but were for later 911s, so again fine.

Some love one, some love the other. Some even love Contis !

17" users please chime in !!

cheers, Maurice []

As a 17" aficionado I used to love the original Pirelli's approved for the 993 (pre Rosso) but they are not available anymore [&:]. I have never been enthusiastic about the Continentals currently fitted.

I have a question regarding S02s as I am thinking about them for my next change. I keep seeing S02As mentioned. Are these different to S02s? and if so which are approved and anybody got an opinion on which are better for the 993.

Ian.

Ian

I was in the same position back in the summer, the SO2-A seems to have an upgrade on the technology towards the SO3 but a different pattern to the SO2 and SO3...

in the end I went for the Michelin Pilot Sport N2's which have last well (so far) but next time I am going to try the N rated Pirelli

although there doesn't seem to be much of a choice especailly for tyres with a design focus for the wet....

 

[38F3E1]

ORIGINAL: MoC2S

'Laura' on here has them, I think, and I've asked for feedback .... R U There Laura ??

As in "Charles & Laura Wardle" I believe. Fellow R8 members so I can talk to her at the next R8 meeting.

Ian.

 

[angry]

Pirellis for me,godd grip on track and road and reasonable wear.

 

[Sundeep]

for those on 17's this older post might help.....

http://www.911uk.com/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=10&TopicID=4190

 

[burrow01]

Hi Maurice

Maybe the subject of a poll....?

I would be interested to see what the proportion of brands etc is fitted in the real world

Pete

 

[Sundeep]

not much help......!

cheeky monkey [&:]

ORIGINAL: MoC2S

the factory TSB lists various options, but many have disappeared.

but not much help either then ! []

however the point is.....

as most 993 drive differently.... add all those tyre combos'.... how do we make such a choice.... even I couldn't decide...

in the end the single point of comparison is the wear rating, which makes a solid starting point...

and for the same reason I'm trying the Pirelli P-ZERO ROSSO N3 next.... assuming they are still there in a few months time..

I liked the Michelin Pilot Sport N2's (which is now the only Michelin option on 17's for sale, new) but I need to experince what the market has to offer.....

 

[burrow01]

He didn't say which way he was rating them []

 

[Sundeep]

ORIGINAL: burrow01

He didn't say which way he was rating them []

exactly..! Maurice you been on the moon shine again ?

seriously.. you must really read my posts correctly rather than repeatly jumping to your draconian comments..

all the 4 tyres I have stated on my post (via link) now listed 17" wheels 205/50 R17 Z & 255/40 R17 Z

Bridgestone S02-A N4 has a wear rating of 140
Pirelli Pzero Rosso N3 has a wear rating of 220
Michelin Pilot Sport N2 has a wear rating of 220
Continential Sport Contact 2 N2 has a wear rating of 280

are all official porsche N rated for the 993, so are you suggesting that they are all suicidal ? surely that isn't your personal opinion of Continential Tyres ?

as I stated, the wear rating info on these tyres provides a solid starting point for comparison purposes... I certainly didn't say it was the only decision to be considered..... please don't misquoting me.......... again ?

so many options, so many choices... my favourite has been the Bridgestone S02 but opted for the Michelin Pilot Sport N2 as (a) I wanted to experience a wider range of tyre brand (b) for the use of my car the wear rating provide a good info on the what I would expect from the life of the tyre (c) it's N rated so I know it right for my car, so the science is in (b) which also then explains some of its handling and performance features

I sense that you don't agree ? just a vibe I just got....... []

 

[oceancarrera]

I've noticed that the P Zero Rossos are now on the N4 rating... are they available in 17"? (I'm wearing the N4 version on 18's) Anyone know the difference between the N3 and N4s?

 

[Sundeep]

"solid starting point" how clear is that, which you have quoted twice ? key word is in the middle..... at what point did I post in this topic that it was the only decision....

sometimes I have to wonder if you seriously understand the point of this cars forums ?

ORIGINAL: MoC2S
Let's keep to facts, and reasonable, considered analysis of personal experience please.

now you are insulting me, this is a open discussional forum where fellow porsche owners are sharing and discussion experiences and opinions..

I have added 'facts' (provided to me by a tyre supplier) about tyre wear ratings to a discussion on helping a fellow Porsche owner decide what N-Rated tyres would be suitable for his car...

while you have decended into 'another' attempt to surpress my opinions and experiences....

I would to think that forum's are about experiencing and understanding more of the picture by bringing together a wider range of people that wouldn't have otherwise interacted, rather than just your single view...

I should really report your post to the moderators, but that is pointless as you are a moderator! which will only lead to me getting another one of your emails listing your forum rules!

shakes head and walks away.....

 

[Mark_Bennett]

Chill guys - please?

No need to get wheel-y out of balance, rubber each other up the wrong way, and get tyred out. No need to tread on each others toes either, use humour as a release valve and make sure you check your pressures. Keep the conversation n-rated and we'll soon be back on traction-a. This is getting a bit off the sidewall don't you think? Don't want to compound the situation and mix makes, that'll have us understeering in the wrong directional. You've got to keep a sense of assymetric.

I ought to get out more...

 

[Sundeep]

of course !

ORIGINAL: Mark Bennett

I ought to get out more...

he's everywhere...[]

 

[oceancarrera]

ORIGINAL: MoC2S

Hi Adrien

The successive N ratings are by individual fitting ... so the 18" fitting may be at N4 while the 17" is still at N3, as in the TSB information of '04 ...

17"

Bridgestone Expedia S-01 N1​

Bridgestone S-02 N3​

Bridgestone Potenza S-02A N4​

Continental SportContact CZ 91 N0​

Continental SportContact N1​

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Continental SportContact 2 N2​

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Dunlop SP Sport 8000 N0​

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Michelin MXX3 Pilot SX N0​

Michelin MXX3 Pilot SX N1​

Michelin Pilot Sport N2​

Pirelli P-Zero Asimmetrico N1​

Pirelli P-Zero Direzionale N2​

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2/Asimmetrico N2 3​

Pirelli P-Zero ROSSO N3​

Toyo Proxes F1 S N0​

Yokohama A-008 P N1​

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18" fitting​

Bridgestone Expedia S-01 N0​

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4​

Bridgestone S-02 N1​

Bridgestone Potenza S-02A N3​

Continental SportContact CZ 91 N0​

Continental SportContact N1​

and​

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Continental SportContact 2 N2​

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Michelin Pilot Sport N1​

Pirelli P-Zero N0​

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4​

Pirelli P-Zero Asimmetrico N1​

Pirelli P-Zero Asimmetrico N2​

Pirelli P-Zero Asimmetrico N3​

Pirelli P-Zero ROSSO N4​

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The 17" Rosso is still N3 TTBoMK​

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HTH, cheers, Maurice​

Thanks Maurice!

 

[Guest]

Sometimes it seems that PCGB/993/Forum/etc is less like a sharing of info and enthusiasm about a great car and more like someone's ego trip. It rather takes some pleasure out of belonging to the Club.

Aren't we all united by club membership and with an obligation to treat each other like friends and with respect? I'd like to see a bit more of it, and from Club officials especially.

 

[Robertb]

Gosh,who would have thought that such a dull topic as tyres could spark such controversy!

On reflection, I will go for the S02s I think, even if according to Sundeep's data they will be worn out in about 2,000 miles!

Thanks for posting, Folks,

 

[Sundeep]

ORIGINAL: Robertb

Gosh,who would have thought that such a dull topic as tyres could spark such controversy!

On reflection, I will go for the S02s I think, even if according to Sundeep's data they will be worn out in about 2,000 miles!

Thanks for posting, Folks,

no worries... []

interesingly my Michelin Pilot Sport N2's are now approx 6000 miles old which includes 3 track days + 3 days at the Nurburgring in that time.....

.......the fronts are down to 6/6mm and the rears are at 5/4.5mm... I'm clearly not trying hard enough or it was that day at bedford when I probably ended the day with more rubber back on tyres []