UKs most powerful 944! Apparently!!

[John Sims]

ORIGINAL: AndrewS

[FONT=arial"]Hi All,
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[FONT=arial"]I am just curious as to where the statement 'most powerful 944 Turbo in the UK' came from?. Another car has been running with 441 bhp and 391 lbft torque for over two years now (dyno tested May 18th 2006). There is also another 400+ bhp car. Unless these cars are all tested on the same day on a provenly accurate and correctly calibrated dyno - it is not really fair to make such a claim? What do you think?

[FONT=arial"]Regards,
Andrew

Strewth! Thats an awfull lot of torques. You wouldn't want them to get out of their box on a wet road. They'd spread themselves all over the place.

 

[944turbocab416]

nice to see you stiring thing up andrew. my car war tested on the same rolling road used b the 944 league the car you tuned when tested only made 401 bhp but whose counting???????????? its all good clean fun

 

[John Sims]

Steady chaps we don't want an outbreak of willy waving.

Andrew has noted previously there were issues when the car apeared at the Dyno Day and it wasn't really finished. 401 on a "work in progress" is nothing to be sniffed at.

Also different dynos produce different results. We have been usiing Dyno Dynamics dynos as the yard stick but who is to say the dyno sheet above was reading higher or lower? We might assume it is reading higher, but neither know nor know by how much if it were.

Nobody is arguing that yours may be the most powerful 944 Cab in the UK but "Most powerful 944" is a bold claim.

 

[944turbocab416]

why so mutch negativity towards the 944 cab ? it is a far better looking car than the coupe imo. i bought a coupe when the first 250se came out and it was a great looking car back then. the cab shape is timeless. as to the most powerfull 944 maybe it shoul read cab. this has just been a bit of fun for me to see what could be done however i now have an sl55 amg and a c43 amg both run rings around a 944 turbo because time and technology move on,.............

 

[John Sims]

ORIGINAL: 944turbocab416
...... sl55 amg and a c43 amg both run rings around a 944 turbo because time and technology move on,.............

Quite big on bold statements [] I would respectfully suggest Andrew could beat both of them on a track in his 944.

I for one aren't necessarily anti Cab. I wouldn't have one and I don't see the point in them. Why would you want people to see you while you were driving? We are all different and I appreciate that people like them.

Cabs do have their limitations - if you rip the top of a monocoque it isn't going to be as stiff .'. you compromise handling so people can see you drive. It isn't a compromise I would make.

 

[Wigeon Incognito]

ORIGINAL: John Sims

I for one aren't necessarily anti Cab. I wouldn't have one and I don't see the point in them. Why would you want people to see you while you were driving? We are all different and I appreciate that people like them.

I miss not being able to take the top down on my 944 but it's not about people seeing you - it's about the sensation of driving whilst being exposed to the real world rather than glass, metal, and plastic.

I didn't buy the Cab though as like you say, I expected it to be a bit bendy and heavy.

 

[944turbocab416]

bold statment ? in real world driving on the road perhaps i should have said.as mutch as we all love our old 944,s they are just that.............

 

[pauljmcnulty]

Well said everyone, especially Charles. The cab is, of course, the best looking 944, just as the Speedster is the best 911. The slightly lower roofline makes it one of the few cabs that look as good with the hood up.

Just my opinion but still a fact. []

 

[appletonn]

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

Well said everyone, especially Charles. The cab is, of course, the best looking 944, just as the Speedster is the best 911. The slightly lower roofline makes it one of the few cabs that look as good with the hood up.

Just my opinion but still a fact. []

I wouldn't argue with you on that point[]

 

[charles.y]

ORIGINAL: Wigeon Incognito
I miss not being able to take the top down on my 944 but it's not about people seeing you - it's about the sensation of driving whilst being exposed to the real world rather than glass, metal, and plastic.

I didn't buy the Cab though as like you say, I expected it to be a bit bendy and heavy.

Truely agree on the open air driving sensation. 'Bendy and heavy'- arguably. Steve Kevlin defended and won his PCGB racing champion title in 1990 in a S2 cab among other 944 coupes (he won the title in a coupe in 1989). Cab or coupe - just a personal preference IMO.

 

[sawood12]

I'm not anti cab at all and agree it is a good looking son of a gun, however I don't see the point in tuning up a cab as the chassis cannot handle the power. I've been a passenger in an S2 cab and just in normal driving at normal road speed the amount of chassis flex and scuttle shake is very noticalbe. It must feel like it's going to fold in half at any moment with 400+hp going through it on a twisty road. The only way you are really going to get your money's worth out of the superb upgrade you've invested in is to have a stiffer shell - and having said that even in a 944 coupe shell you'd probably look to stiffening up the chassis a bit as by modern standard the 944 coupe isn't particularly stiff.

The only cab i'd have is one that was designed and built as a cab from new i.e. a Boxster. I'd even have a Boxster over a 997 cab.

In terms of most powerfull 944's are we talking 4 cylinder 2.5ltr ones, because if not i'm sure there are a couple of v8 powered ones kicking about and of course there are the three 3.2ltr Mitchell specials!

 

[John Sims]

ORIGINAL: sawood12

I'm not anti cab at all and agree it is a good looking son of a gun, however I don't see the point in tuning up a cab as the chassis cannot handle the power. ......

Exactly.

I agree also that, if you have to have people watching you drive, then a purpose made cab is much better than a converted Coupe.

I further take the point that you are more aware of being at one with the elements but, if that's your bag, do it properly. Get a Caterfield - that'll scare the pants off you at 30mph. Get a bike. We don't have houses without roofs why would you pay more money for an illequiped car?

 

[Peter Empson]

Just to be 100% sure here, are we all talking about standard set levels of boost and not glory runs? I assume we are, I just can't see much point in winding the wick up just to post some spectacular figures.

 

[944Turbo]

Well no doubt it is probably the most powerfull cab in the UK (world?) and probably someone else will fancy it, It might take a while to sell, but then Nick will get to enjoy it for longer - he may have priced it with this in mind []

Different dynos different days - wasnt that why we started the dyno shootouts?

Anyway as a former dyno day champ good to see the figures slowly creeping up way past my meagre 350 or so.

Cheers,
Tony

 

[944Turbo]

Oh and is it still on its original engine with just bolt on bits?
Thanks,
Tony

 

[Indi9xx]

Oh and is it still on its original engine with just bolt on bits?

Original 2.5 engine, not rebuilt, all parts are external bolt on parts.

 

[Indi9xx]

Just to be 100% sure here, are we all talking about standard set levels of boost and not glory runs?

Set to 1.4 Bar of boost, same boost as it runs at every day, running normal shell-V power fuel, no gimicks to give it better figures on the dyno.

 

[Indi9xx]

The only way you are really going to get your money's worth out of the superb upgrade you've invested in is to have a stiffer shell

That is a really interesting point you have raised.. Not becase Nick's car has a floppy shell, but quite the opposite... and your post has now got me thinking.

I would be really interested in knowing if the 944 Turbo cab's had any additional reinforcement put into the shell.

The reason for this is that I have driven a huge amount of 944 and 968 cabrios, and yes, they do creak, groan... I have even noticed 968 cabrios clunking their door catches when you give them some stick... But Nick's turbo cab really does feel insanely rigid and without any noticable scuttle shake, twist or flex...

In fact, if anything, I have not had any conscerns about flex of the shell, if anything the power levels have had me thinking more about developing an engine stabiliser a little like a Cayenne Turbo item to brace up the engine and take some of the torsional stress off of the engine mounts, which even though new, are getting a pounding without a doubt.

I will try to get in touch with the archive people I know at the Porsche factory to see if the 944 turbo cab shell was prepared in any different way to a S2 cab.

 

[John Sims]

ORIGINAL: Indi9xx

Original 2.5 engine, not rebuilt, all parts are external bolt on parts.

Bit of a foot shooting there Jon. I was assuming it had a rebuilt engine. Not the case? Certainly not worth £15K IMHO. It isn't even starting with a 220 engine []

 

[Indi9xx]

Bit of a foot shooting there Jon. I was assuming it had a rebuilt engine. Not the case? Certainly not worth £15K IMHO. It isn't even starting with a 220 engine

Nooo, not a foot shooting at all. my feet are just fine

No one has said its a brand new engine, if anything its a testiment to how good the standard engines are when set up, maintained and tuned properly.

Why the 220 engine comment? better con rods and the jury is still out on if the belt setup is better on the early or late engine.