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I think your right about the NA vs. turbo issue but still think the RS4 is the more capable machine. In all the reports i've read the RS4 is faster, has more grip and traction, can carry more speed through corners. When the M3 wins out it is on softer issues such as "It feels better". Anyway they are pretty closely matched in any case. The problem with these cars is that they have changed beyond their original concept. The first M3 was a lightweight affordable nimble race car for the road, now it is an overweight, gadget ridden souped up family car.

Anyway, back on topic, whatever the cylinder configuration it's got to be blown. With the latest generation of lag-free variable vane turbo's sported by the 997 turbo there is finally no downside to turbo's.
 
Don't get me wrong - I'd have an RS4 ahead of an M3 any day, and not just because they make an estate version of it - but I still think the M3 probably has the edge in driver involvement.
 
I got a ride one today (nearly drove it but lost in heads and tales not that bothered as I have lost interest in the new M3 quite a bit recently and a lot of the Technicians and sales people can't understand why) and I'm fairly sure that it shouldn't have a more comfy ride than the 335i so I think driver involvement may have been at expense to comfort not right in an M3 if you ask me all I know is I would have an E46 M3 over the new one and the RS4 anyday.
 
The problem has infested all the German marques to some degree, but thankfully Porsche less then the rest. We all know that this problem is an infatuation with how well a car can punch up to 150+ on the autobahn, which is great if you are German and drive at 150+ on the autobahn each day and completely and utterly pointless for pretty much any body else in almost every other country. The big boss man having a pop about the CO2 EU directive they want to bring in just shows how out of touch these brands are with reality.

Ask yourself how many true sports car fans would like to see a composite chassis Cayman derivative weighing less then 1000 Kg, and perhaps only the 240 Bhp of the base model?

It would be a dream to drive and go like the clappers round the track but on the autobahn it would be slower then all the cars you guys have mentioned so Porsche will probably never build because they will not want to look "inferior" to a probably cheaper product from one of the other German marques.

We can only hope Porsche make this jump because sadly BMW/MB have no hope they are have gone to far to come back IMHO in terms of brand ethos etc. and all that carp that journos and salesmen trott out.
 
Personally I like the 0-150 punch, thanks. I rarely drive my everyday car on anything more gnarly than an A-road and overtaking stonk is more useful to me than chuckability.
 
well you would have to as a big heavy estate car isn't goimg to have much chuckability as someone down the road in a new M5 tourer found out and went backwards into a junction luckily for him not hitting anything did make a nice sound going down the long straight from BMW to the Porsche centre though
 
Just suddenly remembered yesterday I was following an Audi RS6 on some road which I can't remember all I know is that there weren't much traffic and it were quite a good view of the road ahead and although I struggeled a little along the straights keeping up with it through the corners I managed to keep up with it easily and actually overtook it on one of the corners only to get overtaken again when it became straight[:D]
 
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look at the boy racer there with fogs on during the day, driving like a looney whatever next.

very impresive though bit like that M5 only it seems to be in a bit more control.
 
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