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"Unquestionably The Ugliest Vehicle Porsche Has Made!

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Until I arrived at Porsche's Stuttgart factory, I'd seen only photographs of the Panamera, but can now report it looks no better in the flesh. It's been a long time since Porsche has made an attractive car, but the Panamera, which looks like a 911 that's been magnified and then melted, is unquestionably the ugliest vehicle Porsche has made.



Porsche has built many different cars over the years. Big ones, small ones, scarily fast ones and engagingly fun-to-drive ones, but I can't remember one that left me as confused as this new Panamera.

It is the automotive equivalent of a duck-billed platypus. It's wider and longer than a Porsche Cayenne but seats only four. Porsche cites the Mercedes-Benz S-class and BMW 7-series as key competitors but its body configuration is that of the humble hatchback. The S version I drove has essentially the same 4.8-litre V8 engine as the Cayenne GTS but when sales start this September, Porsche is going to ask an extra £17,673 for it.

Until I arrived at Porsche's Stuttgart factory, I'd seen only photographs of the Panamera, but can now report it looks no better in the flesh. It's been a long time since Porsche has made an attractive car, but the Panamera, which looks like a 911 that's been magnified and then melted, is unquestionably the ugliest vehicle Porsche has made.

The inside looks marvellous, all low-slung and snug like a proper sports car, but as opulently trimmed and expertly finished as a limousine. Even here, though, there's a flaw. Porsche says there's no middle seat in the back because nobody would want to sit in it. Instead, it has provided the Panamera with four full-sized and supremely comfortable chairs.

If you sit in the back, you will marvel at how much headroom there is and the fact that there's no shortage of legroom. The problem is that because you sit so low, the headrest for the front seat appears in the middle of your field of vision, and because the windscreen is so shallow you can't see outside by peering over the top. Unless you elect to list sideways like the tower of Pisa, your view forward is severely restricted.

Dynamically, Porsche finds itself on surer ground. Until a base model V6 appears next year, this 400bhp Panamera S serves as the entry level. It will be joined by a four-wheel-drive 4S costing £77,269 plus a 500bhp turbo priced at £95,298. Porsche's double-clutch PDK transmission is standard on the two more expensive Panameras and expected to be an option on all but a tiny proportion of S models. The engine and PDK box work effectively but unspectacularly (though Porsche infuriatingly insists on placing buttons on the steering wheel rather than paddles behind it).

The engine in the S offers performance commensurate with the price tag and a smooth note, while the PDK snaps efficiently between its ratios in both manual and auto modes. Commendably it's also the first multi-cylinder motor with an auto gearbox to be fitted with stop-start technology.

The real magic has been saved for the chassis. With the Panamera, Porsche has set a new standard among big saloons for combining the usually diametrically opposed interests of ride quality and handling. This is a large and heavy car but it never feels it: on the contrary it feels agile. It has superb grip, the steering is brilliantly precise and the car maintains composure even on tortuous mountain roads. Then, when you hit the autobahn, you can almost see why Porsche claims its ride quality is comparable to that of a Mercedes S-class. It doesn't quite match the Merc but it's streets ahead of, say, an Audi A8.

Better still, the Panamera is admirably refined, cruising in hushed comfort at speeds that are illegal in Britain. The driving environment is good, too. The Panamera proves you don't need iDrive-style central controls if you can offer a touchscreen and ancillary buttons, clearly labelled and located. And it doesn't look a mess "” it looks just right.

Which is why at first the Panamera is so confusing. It is a car of heroic abilities and calamitous failings and it takes a while for the fog to clear. When it does, it reveals a gulf between Porsche design and Porsche engineering. We saw this with the Cayenne, a space-inefficient and ugly brute that manages to drive better than any other SUV. If anything, these problems are even more pronounced in the Panamera.

Before you even consider writing the cheque, you're going to have to reconcile yourself to its looks, and be happy buying a giant car that seats fewer people than a Ford Fiesta.

If you can square that, there is nothing else standing between you and a wonderful relationahip with the Panamera. In the way it manages both to ride and handle well there are lessons for every maker of large luxury or sporting cars.
 
Tuesday 30th JunePORSCHE PANAMERA DRIVEN

Ultimate performance limo, or total dog's dinner? Adam Towler gets behind the wheel of a car destined to divide opinions

The silence is not deafening, it's just plain weird. Mere seconds ago we were carving up Bavarian autobahn air at an indicated 189mph, and now my co-driver and I sit here at a traffic light, silent and still. Only the gentle hum of the air conditioning is audible since the stop-start function killed the engine dead. Ahead, on the "˜screen, is a limey-black mask of carnage from the local insect population. It's an awkward silence, only broken when I volunteer a "**** that was fast" as we sit, some distance apart, in this broad, pensioner-shoe-grey cabin of tangible integrity. And I'm still not sure whether I'm any closer to understanding this new Porsche. Or indeed, falling for it.

A Porsche in a fir-tree forest. Very GermanThis is a new sub-niche, if you like, that picks up where the Maserati Quattroporte has already partially started. It will soon be filled by the emerging Aston Martin Rapide, potentially the Lamborghini Estoque in some form or another, and no doubt soon by every other premium manufacturer desperately searching for the niche du jour.

Recently, we covered the technical aspects of the Panamera in some depth on PH, and even got taken for a ride around Porsche's Weissach proving ground in one. Now, it's time to drive.

As you may remember, there are currently three Panamera models: the entry-level Panamera S, with rear-wheel drive and a naturally aspirated 4.8-litre V8 costing from £72,266; the £77,269 4S with the same mechanicals but "" obviously "" four-wheel drive plus a twin-clutch PDK "˜box as standard; and the (gulp) £95,298 Turbo, with a twin-turbo V8, four-wheel drive and standard PDK and air suspension - to name but a few goodies.

Beauty, eye, beholder etc...The concept is this: a strict four-seater, with room for four adults in complete comfort, housed within a low but enormously long and wide hatchback/coupe amalgamation able to combine the usually disparate elements of luxury and driver appeal through the sheer weight of stuff lurking in Porsche's technology cupboard. The reality, for us, begins with the keys to a dark blue 4S.

I hate being told whether something creative is good or bad, so I usually just say beauty is in the eye of the beholder and leave it at that. However, it is simply impossible to do so with the Panamera because a), how it looks and b), because in this sub-niche, emotional appeal really, really does matter. It is a cornerstone of these cars that are trading a slice of practicality (one seat, a shade of refinement and some boot space over a Mercedes S-class, for example) for desirability "" along with performance. When PH saw the Panamera in the metal for the first time at Weissach it was clear that in some colours at least, the shape worked better in three dimensions than it did on the page (admittedly that's not saying much). That is still the case, because the Panamera is amazingly, staggeringly colour sensitive. But especially in a dark, drab colour (or gold) and on the smaller rims, most present "" me included - found it completely bemusing. If the new Jaguar XJ looks as good as some insiders are claiming, and the Rapide is as elegant as we'd expect "" not to mention the delights already on offer from the Quattroporte "" this could be a really big problem for Porsche.

Saloon, hatch or fastback?...First impressions on the road are of genuinely good refinement "" low wind and road noise and a ride, on these mainly smooth German roads at least, that's surprisingly smooth and well insulated. It certainly picks up speed convincingly on the autobahn, all the time filling the cabin with a V8 intake note that's as hard as granite and about as musical when two slabs of it are banged together.

What really stands out is the quality of the cabin "" the detail design, the finishing of the materials and the way they are combined. Even if some of the wood trims aren't to your taste, the way they're used is impressive. Also, sitting low with the instrumentation and controls almost level in front of you feels extraordinary: there's a button for everything, which is either overkill or a boon to haters of iDrive, MMI and all those other systems.

Eventually, the road turns sinuous and steep as we climb up into the mountains in this part of Southern Germany. It's now that the Panamera must morph character and somehow deliver an engaging driving experience. It certainly delivers an admirable one, with quick and accurate steering "" particularly off dead centre - and the (optional) air suspension keeping the body firmly in check. To "˜wake' the car up I change out of normal mode and switch between "˜Sport' and "˜Sport Plus' modes; their make-up, a whole raft of changes to the electronic systems that could take up the rest of this story, will be familiar to anyone with experience of a Gen2 PDK 911.

...Answers on a postcardGearshifts quicken, suspensions firm up and soon it's possible to push this limo hard "" harder than seems logically possible. Naturally, there's understeer initially, but with the roads slick following a rain shower, it's surprisingly easy to feel the rear moving around through the tighter stuff. The trouble is, you really find yourself worrying about taking up so much road space, and the width is constantly on your mind, with regular sharp intakes of breath when a truck comes the other way.

Admirable then, but engaging? Perhaps not. With 395bhp hauling 1,860kg it's rapid, but there's the feeling that it's more noise than stupendous acceleration "" worrying when our test car costs nearly £90,000 with extras and with all those 500bhp+ sports saloons existing at up to thirty grand less. The PDK gearbox is generally impressive, but it occasionally gets caught out by rapid shifting near the red line; the gap between second and third gear seems a bit of a hollow and the user interface is still annoying (and back to front). And while you can't really fault the way the major controls ultimately work, they seem to lack that special quality you'd associate with a Porsche. The steering is okay, but (particularly on those cars equipped with Servotronic steering - which we only found out about after the drive) it's not especially communicative, while the brakes (carbon on this 4S) grab very quickly and then have quite a long pedal travel. That's not very Porsche-like.

Later, we get to try a 2S and the Turbo. The 2S also has the PDK and air suspension options fitted, but has quite a different feel to the 4S. It's more responsive (it is 90kg lighter) and the steering seems a touch cleaner too. On smaller wheels there's more movement to the body, but if anything this makes it seem more engaging and I enjoy driving it more than our fully loaded 4S. A really basic 2S might be one of the best Panameras of all "" a better blend of comfort, pace and price.

As for the Turbo, it's something completely different again "" as you'd hope at over £110,000 for "˜our' car. If anything, it's the version that best realises the original idea. It stampedes across country like a two-ton limo (and still a comfortable one) has no real right to do, and the combination of the 493bhp twin-turbo 4.8-litre V8 with the PDK gearbox and four-wheel drive makes for ridiculous acceleration: in launch mode it'll do 0-


Beautiful build, but it's a bit of a button-fest62mph in just four seconds dead. And it feels that fast. It's also rock-solid as it closes in on its maximum velocity, and yet still refined enough that you could have a (nervy) conversation inside. But it's just so big, that it may prove a real struggle to work it up to anything like its full potential in the UK and, although it's fun to drive it fast, and often freakishly capable across country, I don't necessarily find it fun to drive.

Which is why I'm sat at those traffic lights trying to work out how I feel about the Panamera after this initial acquaintance. It's a complex car trying to perform to a complex (perhaps over-complex) brief, and one that deserves some serious seat time in the UK before any final judgements are made.

But at any rate, however impressive it is, at some point you've got to park and climb out of it, at which point you re-enter the debate about how it looks, and that "" coupled with the way it drives "" has so far left me cold. That lack of passion, with that badge on the nose, is as surprising as it is disappointing.












 
Porsche plans Panamera diesel
Wednesday, July 01, 2009

Porsche is planning a diesel-engined version of its new Panamera that will use existing Volkswagen Group engines, according to highly placed sources within the company.

The firm will use a similar strategy to that applied to the diesel Cayenne, which is fitted with a 3.0-litre V6 diesel also used by Audi and Volkswagen in cars such as the A6 and Touareg.

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When asked about the possibility of a Panamera diesel, a senior Porsche executive said, "There are V6 and V8 diesels within the VW Group that could be used as a basis." That points to the same 240bhp 3.0-litre V6 from the Cayenne, or even the 322bhp 4.2-litre V8 diesel from the Audi A8.

Porsche would almost certainly tune any VW diesel for its own use, reworking the power delivery for punchier acceleration rather than long-distance cruising ability.

Porsche is also working on a range-topping high-performance version of the Panamera, which will sit above the Turbo. Again it will mimic the equivalent Cayenne, the GTS, by doing away with the Panamera Turbo's standard air suspension and replacing it with steel springs. The car could be badged as a Turbo S or even a GTS.

The Panamera's influence on the rest of the Porsche range will be seen much more in other future models, meanwhile.

The car's interior, with its high centre console and switchgear arranged down either side of the gearshift, will influence the cabins of the next generation of Porsches.
 
A couple of weeks ago I saw a gold-ish one in the parking of the Porsche museum - and a blue one stopped on the hard shoulder on the Autobahn, apparently broken down.

I was quite more surprised by the size of the thing than by its looks. This is one massive, enormous car. The wheels and brakes are so big they are almost ridiculous.
The use of space inside the cabin reminds me of the Lamborghini LM-002 - seats are divided by a rather large transmission tunnel that suggest a waste of space.

It does look ok from the front. The rear is about the same as the recent Renault Laguna coupé and that is really no good thing. An ugly car it is, but thankfully still not quite as ugly as a rear-engined Porsche [:)]
 
I'm starting to feel sorry for this thing. People seem to be focussing on it's appearance but to my eye at least Porsche have never made a particularly pretty car apart from the CGT and the 928. I'm not saying Porsches are particularly ugly, they're just not pretty. Porsches design philosophy has always been form following function - which is the way I prefer it. I actually think that from any angle other than the rear quarter angle the Panamera is quite a pretty car - though i'll reserve my judgement till i've seen one in the flesh. But the most importatnt thing is how does it drive, and from the reports i've read so far it seems to drive fine. And I mean fine full stop and not just fine for a large and heavy car. To me how it drives is all that matters unless you are a poser and buy cars for style over substance.
 
Porsche had one at th Festival of Speed today (and all weekend).
It's huge...

Assume this means there will be one at Blenheim?
 
You are right Mark it did look HUGE but it was great to see it go up the Hill.
Mercedes certainly put an awful lot of effort into the festival, never seen so many Silver Arrows and SLR variants.
If you guys /gals can get an online ticket for tomorrow or Sunday Make the Effort just to look at the Bugattis on the lawn ........Meantime don't forget the Revival in Sept...
 
I too saw the Panamera at Goodwood today. I agree it's HUGE, but I refuse to jump on the bandwagon and describe it as ugly.

To me it looks purposeful: it could transport four businesspeople and a boot full of laptops and briefcases across Europe probably much faster than the same suits could travel to an airport, check in, wait, wait a bit more, fly to the destination, collect their luggage and then get a taxi to the office.

As Scott said, "Form follows function" and I got an instant feeling that the Panamera could deliver it's occupants fresh and ready for business. It also looks like it has come straight from the Porsche stable - no messing around, just fit for purpose. Just like the Cayenne, the 993, the 914... I could go on.

Porsches aren't designed to be pretty. They just do the job really, really well.
 
ORIGINAL: RSGulp

I too saw the Panamera at Goodwood today. I agree it's HUGE, but I refuse to jump on the bandwagon and describe it as ugly.

To me it looks purposeful: it could transport four businesspeople and a boot full of laptops and briefcases across Europe probably much faster than the same suits could travel to an airport, check in, wait, wait a bit more, fly to the destination, collect their luggage and then get a taxi to the office.

As Scott said, "Form follows function" and I got an instant feeling that the Panamera could deliver it's occupants fresh and ready for business. It also looks like it has come straight from the Porsche stable - no messing around, just fit for purpose. Just like the Cayenne, the 993, the 914... I could go on.

Porsches aren't designed to be pretty. They just do the job really, really well.

I very much agree. I saw the car too, and as is so often the case it looks better in the flesh than in the photos. That said, in terms of how it looks, I think it will be a car that is quite colour and wheel size dependent (the Goodwood the car was in a very dark colour with 20 inch wheels).

The interior is what impresses me. It looks very bespoke, and quite different to most other designs. The raised central console, the mix of leather and alumninium, the separate rear seats etc. all looked great. Just 10 feet away was the new Alpina B7 (fantastic motor), but the 7 series interior was much less inspiring, even with the Alpina touch.

Anyway, I've voted with my wallet. I've got a Panamera Turbo coming in September - Yachting blue with twin tone blue and cream leather interior. I spend about 400 hours a year in my car commuting, and for me the most important thing is to have a fantastically comfortable and pleasant place to sit, and I hopefully the Panamera will do the job admirably (and be good for the occasional A-road blat).
 
There seems to be alot of critisism over the price as well. Though I thing that £100k can never be good value for a car, why is it a 997 turbo is considered good value at £100k but a Panamera turbo isn't? You certainly get alot more car by weight with the Panamera.
 
http://pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=105&i=20544

Thursday 3rd SeptemberPORSCHE PANAMERA: OUR FIRST UK DRIVE

New Panamera Turbo is on sale this month

Is it just me, or does the Porsche Panamera look like a machine that needs to be handled with a bit of respect, especially in its most muscular Turbo guise?

It could be that humpy 911-esque backside, subliminally suggestive of an engine at the wrong end and the possibility of lurid oversteer moments. Maybe it's the generally aggressive demeanour of a car with such muscular haunches, big alloys, exposed calipers and that classic Porsche front styling graphic. Maybe it just makes me feel that way just because it is a Porsche with a turbocharger... Whatever the reason, I really wasn't expecting the driving experience to be quite so - well, relaxed and serene.

911 design cues in a 5 metre 4-seaterA full-on, fevered, and possibly slightly mad experience was what I had been anticipating from this big brute of a four-seater with a 500bhp V8 up-front and seven-speed double-clutch gearbox mounted in the rear axle. Instead of which, the Panamera offers the docile good manners of a luxury limousine, unless and until you decide to 'unleash the beast' that lurks beneath that iconically styled bonnet.

Having driven the full set of Panamera launch models this week at Porsche's Silverstone Experience Centre, and for a short time on the roads thereabouts, my initial feeling is that this car offers the same terrific duality that Jaguar has engineered into its XFR. The Panamera is a truly 'everyday' machine in the literal sense of the word because, in spite of its phenomenal capacity for going fast, it demands little from a driver who is not in the mood for exploring that potential.

The Turbo costs nearly £100KIn fact, quite the opposite is true, because instead of demanding commitment, the Panamera is happy to indulge your complete disengagement. Sometimes comfort, refinement, and easy manners are what's required after a hard day property developing (or whatever it is that earns a chap a spare £70-100k these days), and the Panamera feels like it will whisk you discreetly and comfortably along the outside lane of the motorway all day, will take you and three chums to the golf course, and your wife and kids to the farmhouse in Tuscany.

Or you could use it to scare the bejesus out of them instead because, to be fair, the Panamera Turbo goes and handles like no Two-ton Tessie has a right to. Experiencing the performance from the back seats can sometimes verge on the surreal.

The interior oozes driver appealThere's no real mystery to the 'go', with a 4,806cc V8 set well back under the aluminium bonnet. Derived from the Cayenne unit, it features aluminium block and heads, four overhead camshafts, variable intake valve stroke and timing, direct fuel injection and twin turbos. It delivers 500bhp at 6000rpm and 567lb ft from 2250rpm to 4500rpm with overboost in the Sports Plus Mode. If you use the (fully warranted) launch control on the PDK gearbox, it will catapult you straight into the next dimension. Or at least to 62mph in four seconds dead and onto a maximum of 188mph which, for an almost five-metre projectile weighing a stonking 1970kgs, is quite a thing to experience. The normally aspirated two-wheel-drive Panamera S has 400bhp, weighs 1770kgs with the basic six-speed manual 'box, and takes 5.6 seconds to reach 62mph with a 175mph maximum. The also normally aspirated Panamera 4S splits the difference with a 5.0-second 0-62mph sprint - an advantage presumably down to better traction off the line, and the shift speed of its standard PDK 'box.

'Classic' Porsche instrumentationKeeping the whole plot pointing in the right direction is another matter entirely, and to that end a vast array of technology has been deployed. But there's a more fundamental explanation as to why this giant limousine handles like a sports car, and that's because it's lower (at 1418mm), wider (at 1931mm) and has shorter overhangs than anything else - currently - in its class.

The resultant low centre of gravity has been achieved by one significant compromise, namely the inability to carry a third passenger in the rear. Instead of a rear bench mounted above the transmission tunnel, the Panamera has two rear seats nestled low to the ground either side of the tunnel - which also explains the amazingly good rear head room in that coupe-like body. The seats, like those in front, are not the expansive arm chairs you'll find in a traditional sporty limo, but they are comfortable and supportive and suit the Panamera's dynamic character well.

Porsche prefers switches to 'menus'Climb into the driving seat, and the amount of adjustability is immediately apparent. I'm nearly six-and-a-half feet tall and I had room to spare. That aside, the driving position feels a bit like that in the 911, with the familiar five-pod binnacle and Porsche's always centrally mounted rev-counter. In a car that's supposed to double as a relaxed cruiser I think I'd be sacrilegious and swap the speedo into the largest middle unit. Ideally, I'd like to see a Head Up Display, because in a car like this it's not always easy to know how fast you're travelling, officer. Presumably the bulkhead architecture won't allow it.

Does what it says on the can...Firing up the V8 is an experience that will bring a smile to any owner's face, as the engine starts with a whooffly growl that settles instantly into a subdued idle. On the road, even when cruising at relatively high speeds the engine is barely intrusive, although the cleverly engineered acoustics do come into play when you want to exercise the car. Under load, the engine emits an aggressive growl with an unusually mechanical edge that is a terrific accompaniment to a more sporting drive.

And sporting the Panamera can certainly be, in spite of its great girth and mass. With advanced electronic systems managing traction issues, damping, body roll, ride height and rear torque split, the Panamera Turbo (and lesser models if optionally specced) uses all the tricks in the book to sustain vastly silly speeds across the countryside.

Bi-turbo, 4.8-litre, 500bhp V8The 2wd Panamera S rides well on steel springs with variable dampers, but the Turbo comes standard with an adaptive air suspension set-up. While cruising it offers a level of comfort and refinement over British roads that isn't far off what you'd hope for in, say, a BMW 7-series, but show it a few twisty bits and it's in a league of its own - all but eliminating body roll and providing a show of agility and poise that would be startling in a car of this size, were it not for the Porsche badges on the nose and tail.

The steering is well weighted and, while the feel is as nothing compared with a 911's, it turns in very cleanly, allowing confident and neat positioning of the car through extremely fast corners. The brakes - particularly on the ceramic disc-equipped Turbo - are predictably inspiring, too.

All seats narrow-ish but supportiveClearly all three models have the potential for extremely rapid cross-country times. Having said that, the Turbo's extra 100-odd bhp makes all the difference to the absolute feel of the performance - lifting the Panamera from indecently-quick to 'oh-my-gawd'-fast.

With so much grip and traction on offer it would be difficult to really explore the limits of performance on the road, so Porsche let us loose on the short handling circuit at the Porsche Driving Experience Centre, Silverstone. After a few sighting laps, it quickly became evident that the Panamera's balance and poise on the road hides no nasty surprises.

With the traction control working, there's a tendency toward mild understeer as the nose washes out gently in fast corners, although the ECU does allow a rewarding few degrees of 'waggle room' at the rear of the car if you like to bang the power on early, or lift-off aggressively into corners. With the traction control switched off and 500bhp on tap, the potential for lurid drifting is obvious, but it's always progressive and never snappy - a feeling enhanced on the Centre's low friction surfaces where mechanically induced oversteer skids (from a kick plate on the track) can be deftly gathered in.

Ceramic stoppersSo the Panamera is a pussy-cat or a lion, depending on your mood, which seems to me the ideal combination of attributes for a sporting saloon. There are downsides of course, the major one being that vast width which, as well as making life awkward down country lanes and narrow city streets, makes reverse parking a bit of a challenge. (While over-the-shoulder and forward visibility are both good, you can't see much out of the back window, and the car could really do with a reversing camera/monitor instead of its proximity sensors.)

Then there are the prices. £72,266 for the Panamera S rising to £95,298 for the Turbo may not sound too extreme, but that's before any options have been added - and as an example the specced up S we drove on the press launch came in at nearly the price of a Turbo once the PDK box, adaptive suspension, 19ins alloys and various other goodies had been added. But hey, if you can afford it, why not?

Cooling vents in the wingsAnd then there's the way the Panamera looks. Before driving the car, I couldn't decide whether I liked the styling or not. From some angles it looks great, and from others I'm not so sure. Even more confusingly, while I'm pretty convinced it's an unusually colour-sensitive shape, I now can't make up my mind whether it looks better in light or darker tones... either way, there's definitely something 'unusual' about a limo that looks like a 911, but perhaps it's just unfamiliarity.

What I am confident of though, is this: if you have an ounce of enthusiasm for fast cars and performance, you'll quickly overcome anyreservations you might have about the styling once you're behind the wheel. The Panamera is simply too good to be dismissed with cheap jibes about its appearance, and I think the buyers who have pre-ordered almost half the first year's UK production will be well rewarded for their leap of faith.
 
Went to Reading for their launch last night & I couldn't put it any better than my wife 'That looks terrible!'. I love having a poke around any new Porsche, but it was so un inspiring I couldn't really be bothered ...It's just fugly! a darker colour does it more favours, but it's rump just looks....well rubbish. It's so bland I probably would think it was a lexus if it went past on the motorway. If this is your kinda thing though, I'd wait a few years as the I reckon the depreciation on 110K turbo is going to huge
 
It's amazing how we all perceive cars differently. And quite rightly so - each to their own.

I went to the Panamera launch on the 4 September at Bolton OPC and found these cars to an absolutely fabulous piece of machinery that adds great value to the Porsche range. Just like its predecessor, the 928, it is a bold step in a completely different direction and I can see a great future for it.

Sure it will depreciate horrendously, just like any other top end luxury saloon, but that's not what this is all about, and if you are at all worried about that, then luxury cars are not for you. It comes with the territory and for those who can afford the loss it's not a problem.

I found the range of Panamera's presented were fabulous cars, good looking, well engineered and worthy of a Porsche badge.

I am really looking forward to my test drive later this month when I get back from the PEYT.
 
Yes I saw one for the first time on Sunday at OPC Leeds.

I was surprised, it has good presence.

Not small, but it's a full up four seater with a decent boot, and the PCCB brake discs on the Turbo were HUGE !
 
ORIGINAL: ChrisW

Yes I saw one for the first time on Sunday at OPC Leeds.

I was surprised, it has good presence.

Not small, but it's a full up four seater with a decent boot, and the PCCB brake discs on the Turbo were HUGE !

Sat in one today and blow me it was in a brand "sparkling" new silver Platinum so that must have taken the paint boys years to come up with unless they raided it from Aston Martin aka Titanium [:D]

I thought the interior design, fit and finish showed a lot of time thought and flair, not just by by Porsche standards, but the exterior design is about as opposite to the interior effort that a designer could get [:eek:]

I am sure it will sell well, drive well but it will never win a beauty contest IMO which is a shame because with a clean sheet of paper one has to ask where did it all go so badly wrong [&o]
 

ORIGINAL: Peter Bull

It's amazing how we all perceive cars differently. And quite rightly so - each to their own.

I went to the Panamera launch on the 4 September at Bolton OPC and found these cars to an absolutely fabulous piece of machinery that adds great value to the Porsche range. Just like its predecessor, the 928, it is a bold step in a completely different direction and I can see a great future for it.

Sure it will depreciate horrendously, just like any other top end luxury saloon, but that's not what this is all about, and if you are at all worried about that, then luxury cars are not for you. It comes with the territory and for those who can afford the loss it's not a problem.

I found the range of Panamera's presented were fabulous cars, good looking, well engineered and worthy of a Porsche badge.

I am really looking forward to my test drive later this month when I get back from the PEYT.

They will sell like hot cakes in the US. Fabulous bit of kit make BMW's look like stone age. Porsche is more than 911's it needs to sell to the US so we can enjoy the Turbo's and GT3s in Europe.[:D]
 
Well I did think it ugly from the side, but lovely from the front or back and great inside. Like Peter I look forward to my test drive. However, I WILL not be buying one.
 

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