Value of low mileage 3.6 turbo

[turbo jonny]

Looking around lately it seems low mileage 3.6 models in nice colour combinations are
worth 42-45k.My horizon blue has 13,000 miles and is also a rare non-flatnose turbo S version.My guess is that its worth up to 50k but my concern is that if i am putting say 3k miles per year, on will i be devaluing it much?I can only keep one Porsche at present and its hard to resist putting miles on such an great car to drive!

 

[Gordon Attar]

Jonny boy
964 3.6 Turbo's are only going to increase in value beacause their rarity and they are the last of the origianl shape 911's and they have the turbo lag i.e. last of the scary ones!! remember it took you a while to find yours and not from where you would expect to.

As it stands your car mileage belongs in a collection and therefore that would be your main market if you mothball it and would have originally scared me through its lack of use unless it had a fsh with annual services at a PMD. Personally if I was looking for one to buy I would prefer on that had been doing 3 to 5k per year preferably not all on a track! as it means its being used the engine, seals, AC, gearbox etc are being lubricated etc.

Perhaps dry weather use only and 3k pa and therefore 25000 miles will make the car more valuable, but you should be fine as long as you keep under 5k pa it will still increase in value ie in 4 years time your car will still only have 33,000 on the clock, rarity value the same. The only big devaluer I can think off would be writing it off as a cat C or D.

Suggest my trick and get a 944S2 or Turbo for everyday if you go less than 3k pa. Just make sure the missus has a family car!

 

[SEE YA]

Sorry every miles is smile in a Porsche you cannot put a price on that .
Cars are there to be used !!!!!!!!!!!

SEE YA

 

[turbo jonny]

Thanks for the comments
Gordon , its funny you mention the 944.My first Porsche was an S2 -i still miss it and so does my missus! We would like to get a 944 again as a no worries everyday and or track car.At the present though we have an Alsation to ferry around, and no space for 3rd car.I will try to be patient until we can have another P car. I was worried that the turbo had had so little use ( now i am convinced that it is fine ) so i guess that my 3k pa dry use would not be a bad thing for value in the future,and certainly good for the car.
I agree See Ya that they are there to be used and enjoyed, ideally on track sometimes!
Sadly, i wont be risking that very often, and no way in the wet!

 

[TJ101]

100 percent agreed with Gordon, dry use only and 2-4k per year, but we are only here once so enjoy her,why keep the car is you dont use it, i know its hard to ration yourself, Still miss my old 3.6T []

 

[turbo jonny]

Hi TJ - how are you finding your new turbo compared to the 3.6 ?

 

[beavercraig]

ORIGINAL: TJ101

100 percent agreed with Gordon, dry use only and 2-4k per year, but we are only here once so enjoy her,why keep the car is you dont use it, i know its hard to ration yourself, Still miss my old 3.6T []

Blxxdy hell!, Have done 4,500 miles since March!. I even leave it parked outside these days until new garage block is finsihed. Have had third and fourth cars in the past. Its no good as you just don't drive them so decided just to have two stonking cars that my wife and I fight over every morning! []. I tell you what it makes work that much more bearable.

 

[911addict]

Hi Jonny,
Of course, I'm envious of your special 3.6 - I don't think I ever saw it in the flesh!
But also, I'm with SeeYa, I can't relate to you guys doing such low mileage on these performance cars... I drive mine all the time (expensive to maintain though).
And that's why the 3.3 is such a bargain - not much different to the hallowed 3.6 and no fear of devaluing.

 

[TJ101]

ORIGINAL: 911addict
not much different to the hallowed 3.6 and no fear of devaluing.

Sorry 911addict, disagree, like saying my old C4S compared to TT, is not much different,, may look simalar, but it ends there, !!!

 

[TJ101]

ORIGINAL: jonny boy

Hi TJ - how are you finding your new turbo compared to the 3.6 ?

Hi Jonny Ok, how to put in a nutshell !!, can not really compare the 2,, While the 996 is a very capable vehicle, much more refined and everyday usable, a pleasure to drive, plenty of power, etc,etc (hence why I did not have the C4S which replaced the 3.6T for long ) The 3.6T is more involved, and needs to be driven,, and such a proper drivers car,, I have first refusal on my previous 3.6T if it ever come up for sale []

 

[911addict]

TJ101,
Flippant comment. Your comparison of C4S and turbo is not relevant. They only share the running gear. 996 Turbo is totally different in performance, power and delivery.
3.3 and 3.6 turbo are much more akin. And yes I am aware of the differences. With a few mods the differences are not so apart anyway. For example, most 3.3 have upgraded suspension, and similar power figures with some simple mods.

Anyway, my post was not meant to detract from the 3.6's qualities. Jonny's original post was illustrating the dychotomy (sp?) between wanting to drive a supercar and not driving it due to value erosion. Not so much the case with a 3.3 (930 or 965).

PS: I'm talking about mid to high mileage cars, not super-low miles.

 

[TJ101]

ORIGINAL: 911addict
TJ101,Flippant comment. Your comparison of C4S and turbo is not relevant.

Hardly flippant, and completley relevent, you missed the point, We are taking about unmolestered orginal vehicles,

 

[964porker]

A cars real monetary value can only be measured when sold, bought or traded in. As the owner who may or may not have spent £1000's on maintenance or upgrades, you either keep the vehicle because you enjoy owning and driving the car or you sell/trade it in for another vehicle that you desire. Either way, if you are happy to sell or trade in at that price then surely that is the value, If you are a buyer and happy to pay the price on offer, then you are also going to be happy. There are to many variables concerning milage alone, i.e. has the car completed 20k - 30k miles of town driving or motorway driving. Each model has it's own characteristics and each owner decides how they are going to enjoy the experience of owning that car, either by keeping it in it's original state or by making modifications, both of which may affect the value should the next buyer decide that it's worth it. Supply and demand will always dictate, personally I like to enjoy the experience of driving my porsche whenever I choose and not worry about 5k or 15k milage per year, if I was buying as an investment then i would keep it on a low loader.

 

[turbo jonny]

Completely agree with that ! However, for a rare version of a run of 47 RHD cars i am aware of its place in Porsche history and potential investment value if i keep it mint. I need a collector or museum to make me a great offer otherwise i might just have to drive the nuts off it !

 

[964porker]

Have fun covering those thousands of miles

 

[Graemel]

I agree that all UK supplied 964 3.6 turbo's are rare and in truth I do not think their current perceived sale prices reflect their true value. I am in a quandry as to whether to keep or sell mine. I have just bought a rather rare Porker air cooled of course and one of only 21 worldwide. What makes yours an 'S'. As far as I am aware there were only 13 number 3.6 turbo S's and they were all LHD and not the flat fronted brigade. 12 in black and 1 in ferrari gelb. Are you sure you are not confusing this with the camshaft 20 bhp upgrade to 385bhp rather than the 408bhp of 13?. Personally at our current market values I would concentrate on enjoying the car than worrying about the mileage. imho 50K or under it is still low mileage. If you hit 20K miles it ain't going to knock 50K of the value of the car. The values are just not there. I have a mate who ownes one of the 13 the yellow one. Its done 60K miles from memory and he is asking 75K euro's. It is mint and has been for sale for a year and he still has not sold it.

 

[turbo jonny]

For more info on the 3.6 versions, check out www.flachbau.com. I think all the S engine packages were built to the same specifications.The flatnose differences were bodywork.
I agree that our cars have not reached their potential yet.Hold on if you can.
Thanks for the encouragement not to worry about the miles Graham and good luck with the GT2 !

 

[Gordon Attar]

Not sure from where, but I seem to remember that there were 6 or possibly 8 RHD 3.6S and wasnt Nick Faldo's ex car sold by Gmund last year and I'm sure it was RHD but I could be wrong.

 

[Graemel]

Nope your thinking of the 964 3.3 turbo S. They had the lightweight RS style interior.
jonny boys car has the X88 package which was basically different camshafts 385 bhp.
The 3.6 Turbo S was different again. I have seen the certificate of authenticity from Porsche Cars.
They had various mods, different turbo and made 408bhp. 13 only. 12 black and 1 yellow all lhd.
Interior was bog standard not lightweight like the 3.3 turbo S. The only outward difference were two small splitters on the front PU. When our cars where new I think you paid close on £90K, The 3.6 S was £130K and Porsche charged the original owner an additional £6K because he wanted it painted in Ferrari Gelb (yellow). He's sending me some pictures over the next day or so as I have someone interested. I'll post them when I get them.
cheers Graeme

 

[turbo jonny]

X88 also has different turbo , transmission, exhaust , etc.
Mine was dyno tested last year at 403 hp. That was before i put on a cat bypass!
Would be interested to see this certificate from Porsche saying 408 and only 13 made.