Vitesse/M-Tune ?
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PSH
PCGB Member
I can't comment on M tune but can highly recommend Vitesse which IMHO is unmatched....Just give John the details of mods done to your car and he will write a chip that will run straight out of the box. Add the piggy back system and you will be able to set the car up for the max power available from the mods already installed or any future mods you may add.There's a lot to the Vitesse system, far to much to list here, feel free to ask any direct questions and I'll do my best to answer. I have used Vitesse for close on 9 years now and it has never let me down, started with the MAF and piggyback and now have the MAF+.
Pete
Pete
blade7
Well-known member
Thanks Pete, M-Tune seems to be flavour of the month on Rennlist and with injectors it is cheaper than the equivalent Vitesse setup. I haven't heard anything negative about Vitesse, though I'd like to know if anyone here is using an M-Tune before making my mind up between them.
Paul.
Paul.
Indi9xx
New member
Have installed a lot of Vitesse MAF kits. Usually I recommend a piggyback unit as well to make adjustments from a laptop to perfectly tweak the tuning. They are great and work out of the box.
With the Rogue tuning kits, both the MAP sensor based and MAP and MAF kits are something I have installed. Only problem people seem to have had is actually buying one. Have one customer who bought a MAP kit for a turbo and the MAP sensor was damaged, took a while to get hold of him and Rogue sent out another one, now the same customer wants to upgrade to MAF and is having problems getting hold of them again. But the kits are good an innovative.
Augtronic, not installed any, so cant comment.
I do not have any alternatives to offer at the moment, have been working on my own MAP with MAF kits with some additional features for the last 10 years, but have little time to put together a test group of customers to put them through the year of road and track testing I would like to do, so I have nothing I would be willing to offer in the MAP and MAF arena. This is compounded by most of my customers now wanted to return cars to standard rather than modifying them due to the change in the 944 market and types of owners, so not only is it harder to find daily driver customers willing and able to test what I have so I can put my name and reputation to it, but also if I do complete the kits, there could be a limited market for them even though the feature list is much complete than is out there at the moment.
In this sense, Rogue has had their eye on the ball by making their replacement standard DME which works with a standard car, as well as with all aftermarket tuning, which in the future market makes much more sense from a business point of view in this changing market place.
I would go with Vitesse with a piggyback personally, only because I have been using them for ten years, never had a problem with them (the cars with them are still running) and I know they do the job first time every time.
Others can probably add to this with the argument for or against Augtronic, all I know is the young chap who developed it needs a pat on the back for what he has done and that I have not heard anything bad about them.
With the Rogue tuning kits, both the MAP sensor based and MAP and MAF kits are something I have installed. Only problem people seem to have had is actually buying one. Have one customer who bought a MAP kit for a turbo and the MAP sensor was damaged, took a while to get hold of him and Rogue sent out another one, now the same customer wants to upgrade to MAF and is having problems getting hold of them again. But the kits are good an innovative.
Augtronic, not installed any, so cant comment.
I do not have any alternatives to offer at the moment, have been working on my own MAP with MAF kits with some additional features for the last 10 years, but have little time to put together a test group of customers to put them through the year of road and track testing I would like to do, so I have nothing I would be willing to offer in the MAP and MAF arena. This is compounded by most of my customers now wanted to return cars to standard rather than modifying them due to the change in the 944 market and types of owners, so not only is it harder to find daily driver customers willing and able to test what I have so I can put my name and reputation to it, but also if I do complete the kits, there could be a limited market for them even though the feature list is much complete than is out there at the moment.
In this sense, Rogue has had their eye on the ball by making their replacement standard DME which works with a standard car, as well as with all aftermarket tuning, which in the future market makes much more sense from a business point of view in this changing market place.
I would go with Vitesse with a piggyback personally, only because I have been using them for ten years, never had a problem with them (the cars with them are still running) and I know they do the job first time every time.
Others can probably add to this with the argument for or against Augtronic, all I know is the young chap who developed it needs a pat on the back for what he has done and that I have not heard anything bad about them.
Indi9xx
New member
Vitesse uses a custom made daughter board instead of a eprom and a protection board that the Rogue kit uses, which may or may not be expensive in small batches for vitesse to have made, other than that, who knows why.
Shame he went with Lindsey exclusively, there are a lot of people who will not buy an M-Tune just because they have a grudge, I think Joshua at Rogue might have dropped a ball there, I and others would probably have offered to distribute the kits for him and given his potential customers some options.
I will let me customer know to get in touch with Lindsey Racing if they still want an M-Tune then.
Shame he went with Lindsey exclusively, there are a lot of people who will not buy an M-Tune just because they have a grudge, I think Joshua at Rogue might have dropped a ball there, I and others would probably have offered to distribute the kits for him and given his potential customers some options.
I will let me customer know to get in touch with Lindsey Racing if they still want an M-Tune then.
Diver944
Active member
My experience with Vitesse may be over 8 years ago now, but like others have said you simply cannot fault the product and the support by John. Out of the box it just works, and when you need to get a bit more customised than a standard 2.5 engine he simply emails a new map and it works - no problem.
When you buy solely on price, either quality or price has to be compromised.
If you want a quality product with great service then don't compromise - sod the price!
When you buy solely on price, either quality or price has to be compromised.
If you want a quality product with great service then don't compromise - sod the price!
Suffolk944
Moderator
Another thumbs up for Vitesse here had mine fitted for a few years now and it's been brilliant and trouble free. Made a huge difference compared to the barn door AFM. Yes it is pricey but the benefits are undoubted.
Suffolk944
Moderator
blade7 said:
No the Vitesse came first, the LR61 followed later. The Vitesse had very noticeable benefits with the standard turbo - quicker spool up and a more linear power delivery.
PSH
PCGB Member
blade7 said:
I've said this before...those people are wrong..in fact i'd go so far as to say they have no idea of what they are talking about...I've been running an LR61 for about ten years now..It's a very capable turbo with endless pull no matter how hard you drive....add the Vitesse MAF, decent head, up rated BOV, DPW with a boost controller and 350bhp is very obtainable... go a little further and as long as the engine is the earlier type with forged internals a reliable 400bhp is within reach.... if you want more you'll need to spend a little more money but keep the 2.5, imho this is the best for fast road enjoyment. My car has been heavily modified for a very long time now, at no point have i felt the need for more capacity......
Pete
PSH
PCGB Member
I guess it comes down to personal choice...I prefer a more lively engine but that's just my preference...I have been developing my own car for a very long time now and I'm very happy with how it performs. I know it's workings inside and out, know what works well and what doesn't work so well. i can't say what difference the 10 hot side will make, hell i can't even remember what mine is right now but that's due to a memory problem I have these days. I can say that you need to get the exhaust and turbo downpipe right to match what ever the chosen hotside is, I don't just mean their respective sizes, more their flow characteristics...My latest exhaust has made a massive difference to the cars performance, I bought it second hand but who ever had it custom built for their own car did a very good job, the sound is awesome too, something I've not heard from a 944t before. It has a magnaflow twin pipe backbox, straight through exhaust with good sweeping lines, and turbo downpipe to match, all at 3". I still have things to do to my car, but then I always will...that's the joy of modifying ones own car....
I wish you great success in your own journey.....
Pete
I wish you great success in your own journey.....
Pete
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